Legit tactic? - Page 2

Salvadoreno · 05-20-06, 06:21 PM

i=pwned.

But i was pretty certain Donitz also said (in later war years) that sub commanders are to avoid contact at all times with destroyers. Only in very favorable were uboots to attack escorts. VERRRRY favorable rare situations..

Khayman · 05-20-06, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Salvadoreno

i=pwned.

But i was pretty certain Donitz also said (in later war years) that sub commanders are to avoid contact at all times with destroyers. Only in very favorable were uboots to attack escorts. VERRRRY favorable rare situations..

Could be. The Handbook is the 1943 edition, later ones may have said something different about escorts. I personally give them a wide berth. So even though I quoted the handbook I don't really follow it

Dowly · 05-20-06, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Umfuld

Kelsey Grammer did this in that silly sub movie. Down Periscope, I think.

Wasnt it 'Up Periscope'? Anyways, I liked the movie. :rotfl:

robj250 · 05-20-06, 07:15 PM

Forgive me for being stupid, but how did you get a snap of your sub submerged. I've tried F12, but can't see under the surface waves.

bigboywooly · 05-20-06, 08:12 PM

if you use the > button it will show all ships close to you with yours being first

click on the screen and you can move around your sub outside

Scorpius · 05-21-06, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by robj250

Forgive me for being stupid, but how did you get a snap of your sub submerged. I've tried F12, but can't see under the surface waves.

Ahh another realism buff. You have your underwater settings up so far you couldnt see a mine if it was 2 feet in front of your boat.

I have my underwater settings set for 'realistic for a game' so that i can see underwater - just not that far. Hit the . key to go to camera mode which is locked to the boat. If you keep pressing the . key you will go through all the detectable boats in the vicinity.

05-21-06, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Umfuld

Kelsey Grammer did this in that silly sub movie. Down Periscope, I think.

Wasnt it 'Up Periscope'? Anyways, I liked the movie. :rotfl:

It was 'Down Periscop'. 'Up Periscope was a pretty good action movie made in the early '60s with James Garner.

05-21-06, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by robj250

Forgive me for being stupid, but how did you get a snap of your sub submerged. I've tried F12, but can't see under the surface waves.

Use the keypad: 1 moves you down, 7 is up, 4 is left, 6 is right, 8 moves you closer, 2 moves you back.

Type941 · 05-21-06, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by deadactionman

Sometimes after I sink a protected ship in shallow water, I position myself along side the wreckage so the escorts can't use their DCs... it works a treat in Scapa Flow.

Eventually, they seem to lose interest a resume course.

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robj250 · 05-21-06, 04:34 PM

Type941. Cannot find your latest SH3 Skin as listed in your post.

Rosencrantz · 05-22-06, 12:42 PM

About hiding under the ship:

I think in RL the problem would be "streams" caused by the propeller(s) of the ship above. Submarine near the surface vessel could lost it's depth control and colide with the ship.

During the Cold War years russians sometimes tried to "fool" the SOSUS by giving a "whale" to a SSBN boat = The submarine meat a freighter and followed it in the close range over the SOSUS line. After that the sub and the surface unit separated. This tactic wasn't really effectiv neither the captains of the SSBNs liked it because of the risk of collision.

So, if I'm under the convoy in the game, I try to find caps between the ships. No hiding under the vessels.

Greetings,

-RC-

Heibges · 05-22-06, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Khayman

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Originally Posted by Salvadoreno

i=pwned.

But i was pretty certain Donitz also said (in later war years) that sub commanders are to avoid contact at all times with destroyers. Only in very favorable were uboots to attack escorts. VERRRRY favorable rare situations..

Could be. The Handbook is the 1943 edition, later ones may have said something different about escorts. I personally give them a wide berth. So even though I quoted the handbook I don't really follow it

I would agree that due to the nature of the game design, this particular tactical rule from the Uboat Commanders Handbook makes the game less releastic.

tbarak · 05-22-06, 07:38 PM

I don't know, shooting at escorts seems like a last ditch move. I mean, they're worth next to nothing in tonnage and renown. I can see in early war if say there's a juicy convoy (without deck guns), the weather is calm and there's maybe one or two escorts. I would sink them and have a field day. They're easy to hit and normally take one torpedo each. But the convoy I'm working now has six of them and the merchants have deck guns. No way to slip in unless I get some really foul weather.

Seminole · 05-23-06, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

It is possible, and submarine captains in both theaters did it, but very occassionally. It works best if you're in a harbor and know can hide under a parked ship.

What in game harbours are that deep?

The few I have been into were usually only 12m deep or so with hardly enough depth to submerge much less "hide under" a merchantman.

Yahoshua · 05-23-06, 10:24 PM

I might as well pop my question:

When I receive reports of a convoy, I uasually sprint ahead of the convoy (as far as 100 km to do so) and then engage the convoy.

After I'm done loosing my fish I plot an approximate direction they'll be heading, surface a safe distance from the convoy (usually about 8km south/north and behind them) and sprint on average 40-50 km ahead of the convoy and listen for escorts/merchants and position my sub. When I have an opputunity I then attack them again.

I stop when I run out of torps. I suppose one could consider it a cheap substitute for the wolf-pack tactic, and a good deal of the time that when I've re-positioned myself (a good 2 or 3 hours after the first attack) the convoy is making a bee-line towards port.

Does anyone else use this tactic? I called it the "Leapfrog Tactic"

05-20-06, 06:21 PM	#16
Salvadoreno Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 887 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	i=pwned. But i was pretty certain Donitz also said (in later war years) that sub commanders are to avoid contact at all times with destroyers. Only in very favorable were uboots to attack escorts. VERRRRY favorable rare situations.. __________________

05-20-06, 08:12 PM	#20
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	camera if you use the > button it will show all ships close to you with yours being first click on the screen and you can move around your sub outside

05-20-06, 07:15 PM	#19
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Forgive me for being stupid, but how did you get a snap of your sub submerged. I've tried F12, but can't see under the surface waves.

05-21-06, 04:34 PM	#25
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Type941. Cannot find your latest SH3 Skin as listed in your post.

05-22-06, 12:42 PM	#26
Rosencrantz Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 758 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	About hiding under the ship: I think in RL the problem would be "streams" caused by the propeller(s) of the ship above. Submarine near the surface vessel could lost it's depth control and colide with the ship. During the Cold War years russians sometimes tried to "fool" the SOSUS by giving a "whale" to a SSBN boat = The submarine meat a freighter and followed it in the close range over the SOSUS line. After that the sub and the surface unit separated. This tactic wasn't really effectiv neither the captains of the SSBNs liked it because of the risk of collision. So, if I'm under the convoy in the game, I try to find caps between the ships. No hiding under the vessels. Greetings, -RC-

05-22-06, 07:38 PM	#28
tbarak Sparky Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 151 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I don't know, shooting at escorts seems like a last ditch move. I mean, they're worth next to nothing in tonnage and renown. I can see in early war if say there's a juicy convoy (without deck guns), the weather is calm and there's maybe one or two escorts. I would sink them and have a field day. They're easy to hit and normally take one torpedo each. But the convoy I'm working now has six of them and the merchants have deck guns. No way to slip in unless I get some really foul weather.

05-23-06, 10:24 PM	#30
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I might as well pop my question: When I receive reports of a convoy, I uasually sprint ahead of the convoy (as far as 100 km to do so) and then engage the convoy. After I'm done loosing my fish I plot an approximate direction they'll be heading, surface a safe distance from the convoy (usually about 8km south/north and behind them) and sprint on average 40-50 km ahead of the convoy and listen for escorts/merchants and position my sub. When I have an opputunity I then attack them again. I stop when I run out of torps. I suppose one could consider it a cheap substitute for the wolf-pack tactic, and a good deal of the time that when I've re-positioned myself (a good 2 or 3 hours after the first attack) the convoy is making a bee-line towards port. Does anyone else use this tactic? I called it the "Leapfrog Tactic"