A growing handicap: Muslims serving in Western armies

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by joea

Funny for a skeptic like you to defend the Catholic Church, no I meant the reconquista and what was done with the Jews of Spain, 1/3 converted, 1/3 expulsed 1/3 killed. Ok so maybe not in those proportions but I honestly feel the attitudes and discourse here seems to be leading to that as the only solution, above and beyond what would be "normal" and within sovereign states *resists snide remark about eroding sovereignty* rights to restrict or stop immigration.

I do not defend the church, I have nothing to do with it, but I must accept that today'S Europe wouldn't have been possible without it, and has been massively, most importantly been inlfuenced by it, for the worse and for the good as well. It also is the last remaining institution defending a last set of principle values in an opportunistic world that more and more declares that everything is equal, is relative, and accepts no rules and principles at all - this sick interpretation of total, unlimited freedom and tolerance, no matter what the cost for the others will be. The chruch today is not as bad as it has been in previous times of history, and a basic system giving most basic rules and orientation is better than nothing, even if I do not agree with all these principles in general.

The quotas of 1/3 :1/3 : 1/3 you give are a bit rough maybe, but not completely wrong. They are often summed up like this in literature, I think.

So much for the wonderful time of the Cordoba era. without christians and Jews who ran the show and payed for it with their penalty taxes, it would have been a very poor performance on stage.

We could have had a renaissance and an enlightenment even withourt being object to Muslim conquest and repression. Why so many Europeans say thanks! today for the Muslim invasion back then I do not understand. Lacking knowledge, I assume.

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

Pretty sure of the 120,000+ US troops in Iraq, there are some Muslims.

PD

And fortunately they are forced to conform to the MILITARY standards, and not the PC crap that muslims are forcing upon european nations, in particular, which IMO is just one of the reasons so many muslims are terrorists (or vice versa, if you prefer). They just must have their way, and by golly if they can't, they're going to kill some innocent children to make you pay for it.

[joea]

Originally Posted by Skybird

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The quotas of 1/3 :1/3 : 1/3 you give are a bit rough maybe, but not completely wrong. They are often summed up like this in literature, I think.

So much for the wonderful time of the Cordoba era. without christians and Jews who ran the show and payed for it with their penalty taxes, it would have been a very poor performance on stage.

We could have had a renaissance and an enlightenment even withourt being object to Muslim conquest and repression. Why so many Europeans say thanks! today for the Muslim invasion back then I do not understand. Lacking knowledge, I assume.

Alright, now I understand your view on the church…and share it to an extent but I think though rather than use Islam to weaken the Catholic church better to make clear a separation of public political life from private belief and treat all religions equally in that regard.

I see you completely misunderstood my point about the 1/3 proportions. I was referring to the Christian monarchs policy after the reconquista towards the Jews. I feel this is what may happen to the Muslims in Europe already here…including the killing and expulsion and I find the prospect horrifying. That would mean the end of democracy as surely as a postulated "Eurabia" under sharia law. It really seems that's what some want, not only stopping immigration.

[Beery]

Originally Posted by Skybird

But if they live "integrated" and "assimilated" in our society, they have the same duties and obligations.

As far as I'm aware - and I'm a foreign immigrant living in the US, so I should know - there are no duties or obligations that I have, other than to obey the laws of the US. I am certainly not required to take any oath of loyalty to the US, nor would I take such an oath. But then again, no US citizen is required to take such an oath either.

As for military service, you make it sound like it's compulsory in the US. Last time I checked, the US had an all-volunteer military. No one is forced to join the military, therefore Americans ARE spared from military service, since no one ever has to join up.

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

soooo many people see the booogy man hiding in every corner of their minds... on all sides of the issue...

i find some of these comments shocking...


--Mike