Iraqi WMDs revisited

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by SmokinTep

Getting back to the subject, I think all the stuff went to Sudan.

I think all the stuff went to the planet Mars myself and this guy is guarding the stash:

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Me? Eight kids? I must've miscounted. Where'd that extra eighth one come from? :hmm: :hmm:

Aha! A stowaway! I'll shish-kebab him/her!

@ The Avon Ladt:
Sorry for the extra kid. But I vaguely remember you once mentionned something about an adoption on a posting to Pigfish...
Wanted to take him with you to enjoy trout at Pigfish's place.
Trouble remembering his name though...

[XabbaRus]

Ah yes Jamie Glazov, another self loathing emigre from the USSR....

Not saying all immigrants from USSR/Russia are like that but I have met many who are. As soon as they move out of Russia they start being uber-critical of everything about their homeland.

the guy he intervied has valid points. I read some stuff he wrote on another website. One for an intelligence expo.

[Linton]

Is the report of the Iraq survey group available anywhere ?

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Cornwallis

Is the report of the Iraq survey group available anywhere ?

Doubtful.

However the tape transcripts are available via some US military site on the WEB. Forgot the name of the military section handling these. Will see if I can find it.

XabbaRus, I know of plenty ex-Soviets and Russians who have very little to say for their native land. Maybe there's a reason for the pattern.

[The Avon Lady]

I posted this on another thread. Post here for future reference:

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

XabbaRus, I know of plenty ex-Soviets and Russians who have very little to say for their native land. Maybe there's a reason for the pattern.

I think you have to be careful with not confusing "land", "people" and "state".

As one of these emigrants, I've never lost my identification with the land and people, however cold both may be on occasion. Given a fair opportunity, I would return to them. If it came down to it, I would fight for them.

On the other hand, I've little love for the Russian state, in any of its more or less recent forms. And returning to Russia, for me, almost unquestionably means fighting for that state, which I would not.

But we digress.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by CCIP

But we digress.

I've found the site: FMSO.

[XabbaRus]

Originally Posted by CCIP

I think you have to be careful with not confusing "land", "people" and "state".

As one of these emigrants, I've never lost my identification with the land and people, however cold both may be on occasion. Given a fair opportunity, I would return to them. If it came down to it, I would fight for them.

On the other hand, I've little love for the Russian state, in any of its more or less recent forms. And returning to Russia, for me, almost unquestionably means fighting for that state, which I would not.

But we digress.

No I don't. I know of a fair number Russians who bitch about Russia in its present state, in its past state and about their own people. I have met a fair few who loathe being Russian and try to find anything possible to distance themselves from their birthright. These same people don't say anything positive about Russia/fUSSR.

As an emigre surely you must admit that not all things were bad in USSR.

What bugs me about Glazov is he resides in Canada as far as I can make out yet he writes such anti-Canadian rhetoric. As for the interview it mertis investigation. Like I said I found other stuff by the interviewee that suggests ISG maybe didn't follow stuff up. For what ends who knows.

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

getting back to WMDs...

1- can i have a clear and concise definition of what these weapons are...

2- can i have a specific instance or picture of one of them in this Iraqi storehouse that we captured...

that's all...

--Mike

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense

getting back to WMDs...

1- can i have a clear and concise definition of what these weapons are...

2- can i have a specific instance or picture of one of them in this Iraqi storehouse that we captured...

that's all...

--Mike

In this we have the real legacy of 9/11/2001 and the Iraqi invasion and occupation. This is, are the people of the world, and of America in particular, willing to take the world of the intelligence community at face value? I share Mike's concern. Undeniable proof will not come, even if such weapons do exist in the locations specified, due to the fact that security concerns will never allow for full disclosure. In the back of the collective minds of America will be the failures that have put us in this mess. I

am no doubt speaking like a young 29-year-old, but I do not believe that I will ever completely trust my government and it's agencies again. Most of our older members have probably felt this way for some time, but prior to 2003, I generally trusted Washington.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

In this we have the real legacy of 9/11/2001 and the Iraqi invasion and occupation. This is, are the people of the world, and of America in particular, willing to take the world of the intelligence community at face value? I share Mike's concern. Undeniable proof will not come, even if such weapons do exist in the locations specified, due to the fact that security concerns will never allow for full disclosure. In the back of the collective minds of America will be the failures that have put us in this mess. I

am no doubt speaking like a young 29-year-old, but I do not believe that I will ever completely trust my government and it's agencies again. Most of our older members have probably felt this way for some time, but prior to 2003, I generally trusted Washington.

Ditto but my loss of faith in US secuirty agencies abilities goes back to 2001. And they're not much better today, if at all.

[scandium]

I don't buy into the intelligence failure story. The intel was there (the August 6 PDB "Bin Laden determined to strike in the US"), they had requested more funding for anti-terrorism, but anti-terrorism simply wasn't a priority for the US admin which instead was preoccupied with missle defence. There was a failure yes, but it was political.

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Ditto but my loss of faith in US secuirty agencies abilities goes back to 2001. And they're not much better today, if at all.

[micky1up]

i dont think the truth will ever get out about WMD's and the extent but i would love it to be made public when they find them for i think they do exist because alot of people on this forum would be force to accept they were wrong,i always look back at the weapons search's in ireland to find ira arms caches and in over 30 years of searching and hunting down these caches they only ever found a hand full and iraq is alot bigger than ireland. as a matter of historical fact it has always been easier to disprove than to prove and unfortunatley the proof may be a chemical attack in a major city by terroist that got there weapons from iraq

[scandium]

Originally Posted by micky1up

i dont think the truth will ever get out about WMD's and the extent but i would love it to be made public when they find them for i think they do exist because alot of people on this forum would be force to accept they were wrong,i always look back at the weapons search's in ireland to find ira arms caches and in over 30 years of searching and hunting down these caches they only ever found a hand full and iraq is alot bigger than ireland. as a matter of historical fact it has always been easier to disprove than to prove and unfortunatley the proof may be a chemical attack in a major city by terroist that got there weapons from iraq

If Saddam had WMD when the US invaded, why didn't he use them? And its been, what, 3 years since the invasion of Iraq? If these WMD existed and were given to terrorirsts as you seem to suggest, why haven't they been used in the last 3 years?