Subs of the Pacific - Page 2

zaza · 03-19-06, 09:35 PM

here is papaer plans of ha-201 class

the photo of top books is I-202
IJN has I-201 class

weight 1070/1450 tons
underwater speed 19kt
surface 15.8kt
torpedo tube 4 (front)

it's like u-xxi isnt it?

Torplexed · 03-19-06, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by zaza

it's like u-xxi isnt it?

Yes! Very much like the German Type XXI zaza.

Looks like a interesting book on Japanese subs there. Wonder if they publish it in English? :hmm:

zaza · 03-19-06, 10:51 PM

well this book is photo books.A little english captions there.
Not so many detail in english.
also there is not so many japanese explanation.

I post here about this book.

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=50062

Torplexed · 03-19-06, 10:59 PM

Wow!

A marvelous book indeed. Might be worth having just for the excellent quality of the pictures. Nice find zaza!

GlowwormGuy · 03-20-06, 09:46 PM

Tried actually to get the Japanese Midgets to work in SH2 but they always seem to crash the game when they roll over. I think they might need to be permanently submerged LOL. The bigger ships seem okay but unexplained crashes happen now and again.

That being said there's a good book called SUNK by a wartime sub commander, Hashimoto, I think he sunk the USS Indianapolis or something about the IJN sub fleet. It would be an interesting mod I think or if they ARE going to the Pacific, at least let us play not just the American side but the other side as well!

The Japanese had a very sizable submarine fleet but they were not well directed tactically, prioritizing warships over merchants. But they could have good missions - the midgets particularly (infiltrate Pearl Harbor on Dec.7, the Sydney Raid) and could even explore such flights of fancy as the Panama canal raids or what if the USS Indianapolis was sunk delivering the atom bomb?

Here's a good set of missions to start with!
http://www.ww2pacific.com/japsubs.html

Enjoy,

Mountbatten

03-21-06, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tonnage_Ace

Were any American/Japanese subs 'better' than the XXI? I know about the Japanese submarine aircraft carrier, but I don't think that will be in the game.

No, the Germans worked out the technology for fast underwater travel; so much so that the first nuclear sub, Nautilus, bears a resemblance to the Type XXI.

On the other hand, while being slower to dive than the typical U-boat, U.S. fleet subs were usually faster on the surface and carried six tubes forward plus four more aft, with a total of 24 torpedoes. But where they really shined was their preparedness for long-range patrols. Gato and later boats had showers and washing machines for the crews, plus a freezer so they could eat steak and ice cream for the entire patrol. They were much better to live in.

Type XXIII · 03-21-06, 02:54 PM

Nihon Kaigun (Combined fleet) is an excellent online resource for anything concerning IJN during WWII.

The Japanese submarine fleet was definitely the most diverse during WWII, and they also had some very decent boat types. (Un)fortunately (depends on the point of view) few boats and lousy doctrines meant they achieved little.

Tonnage_Ace · 03-21-06, 07:20 PM

I just watched Tora! Tora! Tora! yesterday and when it got to the part where the Japanese midget submarine gets shot at I wondered if that might be in the game...the devs could be making us think that we play the American side when we might begin our careers with the Pearl Harbor attack and then in Japanese waters fending off carriers and such...

03-19-06, 10:59 PM	#4
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Wow! A marvelous book indeed. Might be worth having just for the excellent quality of the pictures. Nice find zaza! __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

03-21-06, 02:54 PM	#7
Type XXIII Machinist's Mate Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 129 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Nihon Kaigun (Combined fleet) is an excellent online resource for anything concerning IJN during WWII. The Japanese submarine fleet was definitely the most diverse during WWII, and they also had some very decent boat types. (Un)fortunately (depends on the point of view) few boats and lousy doctrines meant they achieved little. __________________ My disclaimer

03-19-06, 09:35 PM	#1
zaza Torpedoman Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sapporo city Hokkaido JAPAN Posts: 118 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	here is papaer plans of ha-201 class the photo of top books is I-202 IJN has I-201 class weight 1070/1450 tons underwater speed 19kt surface 15.8kt torpedo tube 4 (front) it's like u-xxi isnt it?

03-19-06, 10:51 PM	#3
zaza Torpedoman Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sapporo city Hokkaido JAPAN Posts: 118 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	well this book is photo books.A little english captions there. Not so many detail in english. also there is not so many japanese explanation. I post here about this book. http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=50062

03-20-06, 09:46 PM	#5
GlowwormGuy Planesman Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 187 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	Tried actually to get the Japanese Midgets to work in SH2 but they always seem to crash the game when they roll over. I think they might need to be permanently submerged LOL. The bigger ships seem okay but unexplained crashes happen now and again. That being said there's a good book called SUNK by a wartime sub commander, Hashimoto, I think he sunk the USS Indianapolis or something about the IJN sub fleet. It would be an interesting mod I think or if they ARE going to the Pacific, at least let us play not just the American side but the other side as well! The Japanese had a very sizable submarine fleet but they were not well directed tactically, prioritizing warships over merchants. But they could have good missions - the midgets particularly (infiltrate Pearl Harbor on Dec.7, the Sydney Raid) and could even explore such flights of fancy as the Panama canal raids or what if the USS Indianapolis was sunk delivering the atom bomb? Here's a good set of missions to start with! http://www.ww2pacific.com/japsubs.html Enjoy, Mountbatten

03-21-06, 07:20 PM	#8
Tonnage_Ace XO Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 411 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I just watched Tora! Tora! Tora! yesterday and when it got to the part where the Japanese midget submarine gets shot at I wondered if that might be in the game...the devs could be making us think that we play the American side when we might begin our careers with the Pearl Harbor attack and then in Japanese waters fending off carriers and such...