Converted Whale Factory Ship 1.0 Released - Page 2

AG124 · 03-12-06, 09:23 AM

Yes that is correct - smaller whaling boats (about the size of fishing boats) with harpoons would actually kill the whale and tow it to the Whale Factory, which would process it. The Whale Factory which I have made is not a purpose-built one, but one which has been converted from an old ocean liner (there were many of these in service in WW2). This one was based on a picture that Iambecomelife posted - maybe he can post it here again? :hmm:

Once a German commerce raider (forget which one it was) was in the Antarctic and captured a whole whaling fleet. The total haul was 2 Whale Factories, 1 whale oil tanker, and about 10 small whaling boats.

The whalers were sent back to Germany as anti-sub vessels - I don't know for sure about the other three but I think they were sent back too. Interesting story.

AntEater · 03-12-06, 10:15 AM

The raider was Pinguin, and both the factories and the hunters were sent to Brest.
The whale factories were used as Tankers, while the boats were used as ASW escorts, either as Vorpostenboote (suffix VP) or as UbootjÃ¤ger (UJ).
One of these boats is still preserved in Bremerhaven
http://www.janmaat.de/rau.htm Rau IX served as UJ 1212 with the 12th ASW flottilla. Note the high number which simply means "12th ship of the 12th Flottilla".
The first german whale factory, "Jan Wellem", a converted freighter, was used as a refueller for the ill fated Narvik expedition and burnt out after hits from RN warships.
However, german whaling was restricted to two expeditions in the winters of 36/37 and 37/38 which accounted for about a third of the whales killed in these years.
Whaling was deemed necessary as germany was actually the prime importer of whale oil, which cost foreign currency (which the 3rd Reich was notoriously short of). Before 1933, the risk was essentially too high for german companies to invest in whaling, but after 1933 it was highly subsidized by the state.
After 1945 germany tried to take up whaling again, but that was blocked by the Norwegians.

AG124 · 03-12-06, 10:42 AM

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The raider was Pinguin, and both the factories and the hunters were sent to Brest.

Yes, that was the one I was talking about.

In the account I read, not only were two factories captured, but a tanker used to transport whale oil as well. Is this accurate? The book also listed their names, but now I don't remember.

AntEater · 03-12-06, 10:45 AM

Btw, why is the whale factory not NYGM compatible??
Too difficult?
I'd like to use it as well.

AG124 · 03-12-06, 11:38 AM

I don't know how to make the ship NYGM compatible - it actually might be. It's hitpoints are the same as for the parent transport though. Maybe DerTeddyBar can help.

WolfyBrandon · 03-12-06, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HanSolo78

BTW. does somebody know what nations used to have this vessel?

Yes I would also like to know what nations had this ship (trying to keep the realism in my game) :hmm:

BTW, Nice work on the ship! Can't wait to sink it

Thanks,
Wolfy

AntEater · 03-12-06, 12:43 PM

Historical nations?
Norway only, maybe England as well.

Pablo · 03-12-06, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AntEater

Historical nations?
Norway only, maybe England as well.

Hi!

I would add the Japanese and the Germans, though it wouldn't be wise to target them until SH IV....

Pablo

VonHelsching · 03-12-06, 02:32 PM

Well, I relaxed a little bit my realism jacket and added the ship to Norway, Sweden, UK, America, Canada, Poland and Russia.

I simply want to sink it :|\

Save the whales

AG124 · 03-12-06, 04:32 PM

I addressed the nation assignments in an earlier post, but I shall do so again as there is still confusion.

I am not sure which nations had old whale factories converted from liners or freighters, but the UK, Germany, and Norway almost definitely did. Purpose-built whale factories were definitely used by the US, UK, Norway, Germany, and Japan.

I think the following nations may have had some but I am not sure: Sweden, Russia, Australia.

I am pretty sure that the following nations had no whale factories of any kind, although I could be wrong: Canada, New Zealand, Italy, Mexico, Spain, Portugal, any Eastern European nations, or France.

EDIT: - The NCVW should show up in the stock campaign for the UK, US, Greece and Japan. There are many more nations which can use this ship in RUB, but not all of them had whale factories.

BTW - Here is a picture of a purpose-built whale factory, the Kosmos II. Iambecomelife is making one similar to this.

I would post a link to the picture that I based mine upon, but I can't find it anymore.

03-12-06, 04:51 PM

make a great single level - GreenPeace buys an old WWII sub, goes hunting for Japanese whale research ships. Cause Japanese tuna industry to fall. Japanese cats starve in alley ways.

iambecomelife · 03-12-06, 07:18 PM

From top to bottom: The "Kosmos III", "Bloemendal", & "Ole Wegger".

The "Southern Empress".

What she originally looked like: a pic of one of her sisters. Two tankers from this prewar class of 12-13,000 tonners were converted. Both were pressed back into service as tankers during WWII and sunk by U-Boats.

AG124 · 03-12-06, 07:30 PM

The First Picture isn't showing up on my browser.

But I think that the 3rd ship in the first picture would be the model I based mine upon, if it is the picture I am thinking of. I assume you are basing yours primarily on the Kosmos II? :hmm:

slipper · 03-13-06, 04:29 AM

Thanks Gammel, recieved today you are most kind

LukeFF · 03-13-06, 09:04 AM

AG124, for some reason the Museum CTDs on me when trying to view this new ship of yours. I installed it exactly as per the readme. Any ideas?

03-12-06, 09:23 AM	#1
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Yes that is correct - smaller whaling boats (about the size of fishing boats) with harpoons would actually kill the whale and tow it to the Whale Factory, which would process it. The Whale Factory which I have made is not a purpose-built one, but one which has been converted from an old ocean liner (there were many of these in service in WW2). This one was based on a picture that Iambecomelife posted - maybe he can post it here again? :hmm: Once a German commerce raider (forget which one it was) was in the Antarctic and captured a whole whaling fleet. The total haul was 2 Whale Factories, 1 whale oil tanker, and about 10 small whaling boats. The whalers were sent back to Germany as anti-sub vessels - I don't know for sure about the other three but I think they were sent back too. Interesting story. __________________ DOWNLOAD GWX HERE: http://www.thegreywolves.com/index.html

03-12-06, 10:15 AM	#2
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The raider was Pinguin, and both the factories and the hunters were sent to Brest. The whale factories were used as Tankers, while the boats were used as ASW escorts, either as Vorpostenboote (suffix VP) or as UbootjÃ¤ger (UJ). One of these boats is still preserved in Bremerhaven http://www.janmaat.de/rau.htm Rau IX served as UJ 1212 with the 12th ASW flottilla. Note the high number which simply means "12th ship of the 12th Flottilla". The first german whale factory, "Jan Wellem", a converted freighter, was used as a refueller for the ill fated Narvik expedition and burnt out after hits from RN warships. However, german whaling was restricted to two expeditions in the winters of 36/37 and 37/38 which accounted for about a third of the whales killed in these years. Whaling was deemed necessary as germany was actually the prime importer of whale oil, which cost foreign currency (which the 3rd Reich was notoriously short of). Before 1933, the risk was essentially too high for german companies to invest in whaling, but after 1933 it was highly subsidized by the state. After 1945 germany tried to take up whaling again, but that was blocked by the Norwegians. __________________

03-12-06, 10:45 AM	#4
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Btw, why is the whale factory not NYGM compatible?? Too difficult? I'd like to use it as well. __________________

03-12-06, 11:38 AM	#5
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I don't know how to make the ship NYGM compatible - it actually might be. It's hitpoints are the same as for the parent transport though. Maybe DerTeddyBar can help. __________________ DOWNLOAD GWX HERE: http://www.thegreywolves.com/index.html

03-12-06, 12:43 PM	#7
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Historical nations? Norway only, maybe England as well. __________________

03-12-06, 02:32 PM	#9
VonHelsching Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 1,025 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well, I relaxed a little bit my realism jacket and added the ship to Norway, Sweden, UK, America, Canada, Poland and Russia. I simply want to sink it :\|\ Save the whales

03-12-06, 04:32 PM	#10
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I addressed the nation assignments in an earlier post, but I shall do so again as there is still confusion. I am not sure which nations had old whale factories converted from liners or freighters, but the UK, Germany, and Norway almost definitely did. Purpose-built whale factories were definitely used by the US, UK, Norway, Germany, and Japan. I think the following nations may have had some but I am not sure: Sweden, Russia, Australia. I am pretty sure that the following nations had no whale factories of any kind, although I could be wrong: Canada, New Zealand, Italy, Mexico, Spain, Portugal, any Eastern European nations, or France. EDIT: - The NCVW should show up in the stock campaign for the UK, US, Greece and Japan. There are many more nations which can use this ship in RUB, but not all of them had whale factories. BTW - Here is a picture of a purpose-built whale factory, the Kosmos II. Iambecomelife is making one similar to this. I would post a link to the picture that I based mine upon, but I can't find it anymore. __________________ DOWNLOAD GWX HERE: http://www.thegreywolves.com/index.html

03-12-06, 04:51 PM	#11
redbrow Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	make a great single level - GreenPeace buys an old WWII sub, goes hunting for Japanese whale research ships. Cause Japanese tuna industry to fall. Japanese cats starve in alley ways.

03-12-06, 07:18 PM	#12
iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,709 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	From top to bottom: The "Kosmos III", "Bloemendal", & "Ole Wegger". The "Southern Empress". What she originally looked like: a pic of one of her sisters. Two tankers from this prewar class of 12-13,000 tonners were converted. Both were pressed back into service as tankers during WWII and sunk by U-Boats. __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

03-12-06, 07:30 PM	#13
AG124 Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,878 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	The First Picture isn't showing up on my browser. But I think that the 3rd ship in the first picture would be the model I based mine upon, if it is the picture I am thinking of. I assume you are basing yours primarily on the Kosmos II? :hmm: __________________ DOWNLOAD GWX HERE: http://www.thegreywolves.com/index.html

03-13-06, 04:29 AM	#14
slipper Navy Dude Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 174 Downloads: 385 Uploads: 0	Thanks Gammel, recieved today you are most kind

03-13-06, 09:04 AM	#15
LukeFF Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 3,610 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 5	AG124, for some reason the Museum CTDs on me when trying to view this new ship of yours. I installed it exactly as per the readme. Any ideas?