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Old 03-12-06, 12:15 PM   #1
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Wow, thanks for the other download site. I had the same problems Bonfleck had, and I just gave up.

Now, is it just my computer or does everyone else see all those little 'digital' boxes when viewing the movie. Other than that, I liked it. I gotta learn how to do that stuff.
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Old 03-12-06, 12:40 PM   #2
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Now, is it just my computer or does everyone else see all those little 'digital' boxes when viewing the movie.
Yeah sorry 'bout that, but it should be just the low-contrast underwater shots that are like that right? It's a consequence of using compression to keep the file sizes down. It gives good results for high-contrat colourful parts but is pretty poor on the other stuff. I don't know too much about how to compress efficiently, only that DivX is an accepted standard for this and that I got the file size down to an acceptable size.

I usually work in full DV resolution and there's no boxieness there
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Old 03-12-06, 01:33 PM   #3
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I don't know too much about how to compress efficiently, only that DivX is an accepted standard for this and that I got the file size down to an acceptable size.
You must have used a very old DivX version!?! It reports a standard MPEG4 compression, did you use DivX 3.x?

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Old 03-12-06, 04:10 PM   #4
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Thanks Gizzmoe! I knew you would come through for me!
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Old 03-12-06, 04:28 PM   #5
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I just watched it. There is way too much compression on that movie. Don't be afraid to render it with a better codec and get that file size a little higher. It's only 16 megs right now so its more important that you get the video looking a bit better than trying to keep the file size so small. The underwater scenes you can't even tell what your looking at.
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Old 03-12-06, 05:19 PM   #6
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I just watched it. There is way too much compression on that movie. Don't be afraid to render it with a better codec and get that file size a little higher. It's only 16 megs right now so its more important that you get the video looking a bit better than trying to keep the file size so small. The underwater scenes you can't even tell what your looking at.
Uuuh, in that case, I think that the last link's host has compressed it more. It's supposed to be 32 MB, and the blockieness is not that bad at that size. I don't know how it got onto that site, or why they recompressed it, but you're looking at the wrong version. Get the "big" version.

That might also explain the MPEG-4 thing someone mentioned.
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Old 03-12-06, 05:30 PM   #7
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Yeah it was a 16mb AVI when I downloaded it.
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Old 03-12-06, 11:24 PM   #8
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I don't know how it got onto that site, or why they recompressed it, but you're looking at the wrong version. Get the "big" version.
I´ve recompressed it with XviD and uploaded it to Rapidshare, that´s why it´s 16MB. It doesn´t look worse than the "big" version. The source material is bad, watch it at 200% zoom and you´ll see what I mean.
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Old 03-13-06, 08:10 AM   #9
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I don't know how it got onto that site, or why they recompressed it, but you're looking at the wrong version. Get the "big" version.
I´ve recompressed it with XviD and uploaded it to Rapidshare, that´s why it´s 16MB. It doesn´t look worse than the "big" version. The source material is bad, watch it at 200% zoom and you´ll see what I mean.
I can't seem to download that version from there, I just keep getting longer & longer wait times so I can't really give my opinion on whether squeezing an already compressed video down to half it's size has no effect, but I can make some sort of wild guess. I recommend getting the larger 32 MB version, for broadband users I expect it's hardly any difference in practice to download 32 MB.
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I can't seem to download that version from there, I just keep getting longer & longer wait times so I can't really give my opinion on whether squeezing an already compressed video down to half it's size has no effect, but I can make some sort of wild guess.
Of course it has some effect, but it´s minimal.

If you like try and recompress the original uncompressed video with the XviD codec, I bet you´ll like the result!
http://www.xvidmovies.com/codec/

For a very good quality set the target quantizer to 2.5. Also set "FourCC used" to "DIVX" under "Other Options".
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Old 03-13-06, 09:44 AM   #11
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If you like try and recompress the original uncompressed video with the XviD codec, I bet you´ll like the result!
http://www.xvidmovies.com/codec/

For a very good quality set the target quantizer to 2.5. Also set "FourCC used" to "DIVX" under "Other Options".
Thanks for the link, I have installed and will look at it. Do you have any similar hints for audio compression? I used one called QDesign Music2 which seemed OK, but I know less about audio compression than I do about video compression.
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Old 03-13-06, 10:22 AM   #12
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Do you have any similar hints for audio compression?
LAME, an ACM MP3 codec (open source software):
http://www.free-codecs.com/download_soft.php?d=49&s=22

Unpack it, right-click LameACM.inf and click "Install". It then shows up in whatever video software you use.

Tell your video software to convert the sound stream to 44.1kHz, 48kHz is too much. Then set LAME to 160kbps or 192kbps CBR (Constant Bitrate).

The standard Windows MP3 decoder can read those streams, people don´t need the LAME codec to hear sound.
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Old 03-13-06, 12:53 PM   #13
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I followed the vid advice, in Premiere I get a window titled "XVID Status" and Premiere gets no further with the encoding. Closing the Status process kills the entire Premiere app.
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Old 03-13-06, 01:00 PM   #14
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I followed the vid advice, in Premiere I get a window titled "XVID Status" and Premiere gets no further with the encoding. Closing the Status process kills the entire Premiere app.
I´ve asked Google, it´s a known problem with Premiere. Switch off the XviD status screen, "Other options"/"Display encoding status", then it should work.
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Old 03-13-06, 04:05 PM   #15
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I´ve asked Google, it´s a known problem with Premiere. Switch off the XviD status screen, "Other options"/"Display encoding status", then it should work.
Aah, thanks for that it works OK now. In that it doesn't crash anymore, the initial results are less than good (bigger file, terrible artifacts) but at least I can fiddle the settings now.

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