XXI-Bremerhaven pics - Page 2

Sir Big Jugs · 03-01-06, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Tonnage_Ace

Awesome pics, very insightful, but what were those tubes on that destroyer? Torpedo tubes?

Sure looks like it!

Gizzmoe · 03-01-06, 07:44 AM

ThatÂ´s no destroyer, thatÂ´s a puny little fast attack craft or patrol boat. I donÂ´t know which class it is.

Sir Big Jugs · 03-01-06, 07:46 AM

AntEater · 03-01-06, 10:02 AM

Thats Habicht, a postwar S-Boat build in the 1960s.
I dont know why they went to the american arrangement for torpedo tubes postwar (lighter?), but apart from that, these boats are still very similar to the WW2 ones.
Some other of this class still serve in Greece, but Habicht is reportedly in a very bad condition.

basilio · 03-01-06, 10:04 AM

nice pictures!
Just one question: from the picture showing the torpedo room, I can see only four tubes...isn't the type XXI supposed to have six bow torpedo tubes?

AntEater · 03-01-06, 11:17 AM

The armament was reduced postwar to 4 tubes, something which they didnt change when Wilhelm Bauer was converted again to its WW2 appearance.
Same reason why the whole automatic reloading apparatus isnt there anymore.
But U-Bauer certainly did fire its share of torps, since it was the trials ship for the whole german torpedo program in the 1970s.
If you wonder why it has a name, it is because in 1955-60 it was thought to drop the whole U- business and give the boats names like any other country does. Combat boats were to get predatory fish names (like the US, of course) like Hai/Shark and trials submarines were to be named after german submarine inventors or constructors. Wilhelm Bauer constructed the Brandtaucher in 1851 and the two Midgets were named after Hans Techel (chief Constructor of WW1 Uboats) and Friedrich SchÃ¼rer (constructor of the Type VII).
In 1962 they finally decided to start the U- sequence again with the first postwar submarine. But there were actually TWO U-1s, as both U-1 and U-2 had defective steel hulls (antimagnetic steel was still in its infancy), so the boats were scrapped and the whole machinery installed in new hulls.
They actually carried on the traditions of "famous" numbers, like U-9 (number of the Weddigen boat) carrying an iron cross on its conning tower.
I wonder wether U-35 will get something traditional to remember Arnauld de la Perriere, but I think it would not fit today's political correctness.

basilio · 03-02-06, 03:43 AM

Wow!
Thank you for your answers...very interesting post!

werauchimmer · 03-03-06, 06:11 AM

The "ugly concrete structure" is a shopping mall, car park and condo in one. It is called "Columbus-Center" and it *is* ugly. Other interesting sights are the German Naval Museum, which has not only exhibits of the German Navies but of civilian ships dating back to the vikings. The Little Seaside Zoo is cool, too. My favourite is the German emmigration Museum, though. Retrace the steps of emigrants from germany in a very realistic and nicely done museum.

For a live Webcam go here: http://www.wsa-bremerhaven.de/webcam/index.html
(Nordwest Webcam is the one to choose)
You can see the Maritime museum in the front left, a sail ship of which I forgot the name, but it has a niiiice restaurant onboard. I recommend the Labskaus, if you have a strong stomach. On the right is the said concrete structure. In the background middle is the emmigration museum, left at the red-white tower is the zoo. The Type 21 is on the right side pier, behind the sail ships masts.

don1reed · 03-03-06, 10:43 PM

Lovely, just lovely. I wish Mr. Peabody and his way-back machine could whisk us all back to take a cruise on that honey.

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AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thats Habicht, a postwar S-Boat build in the 1960s. I dont know why they went to the american arrangement for torpedo tubes postwar (lighter?), but apart from that, these boats are still very similar to the WW2 ones. Some other of this class still serve in Greece, but Habicht is reportedly in a very bad condition. __________________

03-01-06, 11:17 AM	#21
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The armament was reduced postwar to 4 tubes, something which they didnt change when Wilhelm Bauer was converted again to its WW2 appearance. Same reason why the whole automatic reloading apparatus isnt there anymore. But U-Bauer certainly did fire its share of torps, since it was the trials ship for the whole german torpedo program in the 1970s. If you wonder why it has a name, it is because in 1955-60 it was thought to drop the whole U- business and give the boats names like any other country does. Combat boats were to get predatory fish names (like the US, of course) like Hai/Shark and trials submarines were to be named after german submarine inventors or constructors. Wilhelm Bauer constructed the Brandtaucher in 1851 and the two Midgets were named after Hans Techel (chief Constructor of WW1 Uboats) and Friedrich SchÃ¼rer (constructor of the Type VII). In 1962 they finally decided to start the U- sequence again with the first postwar submarine. But there were actually TWO U-1s, as both U-1 and U-2 had defective steel hulls (antimagnetic steel was still in its infancy), so the boats were scrapped and the whole machinery installed in new hulls. They actually carried on the traditions of "famous" numbers, like U-9 (number of the Weddigen boat) carrying an iron cross on its conning tower. I wonder wether U-35 will get something traditional to remember Arnauld de la Perriere, but I think it would not fit today's political correctness. __________________

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don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	Lovely, just lovely. I wish Mr. Peabody and his way-back machine could whisk us all back to take a cruise on that honey. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

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Gizzmoe Silent Hunter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 3,668 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	ThatÂ´s no destroyer, thatÂ´s a puny little fast attack craft or patrol boat. I donÂ´t know which class it is.

03-01-06, 10:04 AM	#20
basilio Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Italy Posts: 124 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	nice pictures! Just one question: from the picture showing the torpedo room, I can see only four tubes...isn't the type XXI supposed to have six bow torpedo tubes?

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basilio Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Italy Posts: 124 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Wow! Thank you for your answers...very interesting post!

03-03-06, 06:11 AM	#23
werauchimmer Seaman Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 35 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The "ugly concrete structure" is a shopping mall, car park and condo in one. It is called "Columbus-Center" and it is ugly. Other interesting sights are the German Naval Museum, which has not only exhibits of the German Navies but of civilian ships dating back to the vikings. The Little Seaside Zoo is cool, too. My favourite is the German emmigration Museum, though. Retrace the steps of emigrants from germany in a very realistic and nicely done museum. For a live Webcam go here: http://www.wsa-bremerhaven.de/webcam/index.html (Nordwest Webcam is the one to choose) You can see the Maritime museum in the front left, a sail ship of which I forgot the name, but it has a niiiice restaurant onboard. I recommend the Labskaus, if you have a strong stomach. On the right is the said concrete structure. In the background middle is the emmigration museum, left at the red-white tower is the zoo. The Type 21 is on the right side pier, behind the sail ships masts.