StarForce has been checked. No root-kits found

[U-214]

Yep, including many other operating systems. But that is clear descibed on the box. Same does not go for SF.

Then we have different boxes.Mine simply says operating system "Xp-2000" with no distinction between 32 and 64bit.I see nothing "clear" about this and the game is still being sold.

Anyway,my point was that there is no other reason for which it could not work in 64 bit other than the presence of this copy protection.

I would also like to add sir,that the attempts of the moderators of this forum to explain the unexplainable and defend this copy protection scheme,to put it as politely as i can,is rather obvious and provokes certain reactions to the reader that i would rather not describe in detail.

The only thing clear about this copy protection is a presence of a fist on the back of the box.I guess it is the fist the customer is about to take.

Now that i have this protection,i will ensure i will not take again this fist.

Regards

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Terrible! SHIII sucks in that it has SF!!!. I look at it lately and almost install it every now and then, but it still sits on my desk because of the dreaded SF!!!

-S

I'm just like you SUBMAN1. I'd love to re-install this game but I don't want to take chances. I'm studying the issue further before I put another Starforce item on my PC. I won't let my PC become a lab rabbit for a software protection system that is suspect.

I want to play SH3 badly, but I need to examine this issue a little more before I re-install the game again. For now, it stays off.

Sea Demon

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Drebbel

Yep, including many other operating systems. But that is clear descibed on the box. Same does not go for SF.

The only thing that does not work on x64 that is written for a 32 bit box is 'drivers'. SO actually, the only reason for SHIII not running on x64 would happen to be because of SF, since it installs a low level driver to replace your default CD-ROM driver.

Matter of fact, trying to install SF on an x64 system could render your CD-ROM completely inoperable for this very reason alone.

-S

[XabbaRus]

Going to have to check EULA but I am sure by law in the UK at least we can make on ecopy for back up puproses, or is that a rumour too?

[joea]

This is getting real tiresome.

[Drebbel]

Originally Posted by U-214

Then we have different boxes.Mine simply says operating system "Xp-2000" with no distinction between 32 and 64bit.I see nothing "clear" about this and the game is still being sold.

Just checked, and you are right. Maybe the downloadable version is a good solution for you.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by joea

This is getting real tiresome.

Yes.

[U-214]

Maybe the downloadable version is a good solution for you.

Thank you ,but i don't intend to buy twice the same game.If Ubisoft was half honest or cared about those who pay its games ,she would have released a patch to make it OK.

I can still play it because i do have 32bit XP.But i have 64bit processor,2GB RAM and modern hardware and passing to 64bit OS is in my immediate targets so to take full advantage of my hardware.And honestly having a game bought in late 2005 which won't work with 64bit OS,is something that makes me angry.If i had bought a game 3 years ago,when there wasn't the minimun hint that the processors would go 64bit,then yes,i would have admitted that ubisoft couldn't have predicted such an evolution.But now we are talking about 64bit processors for over a year now and windows 64bit is a reality and the incoming new windows will also be 64 bit.

I have no more money for ubisoft to buy also her downloaded version ,which i presume is without starforce? I think i will have money only for someone else who will liberate me from the limits of starforce "protection".It's when the legal customer gets punished for being legal and has to resort on feeding illegality.

I have been playing war simulators for decades,my job is in the military too,i have always supported the genre ,because it is specialized and thus doesn't attract the kids who want "bang bang! i killed you".But it is the first time i encounter this protection and certainly will NOT reward ubisoft for the way that treats its customer by buying also the downloadable version.I don't intend only the fact of the 64bit ,but also why on my box there isn't any mention of the warning about possible conflicts as i read exists on the US box.On my game the warning exists only inside the manual.

I have taken the fist on my face once.No more.

Excuse me for the tone,but i have had enough with this thing.It is time to tell things straight and i will pray for the day that a EU law comes out and finally starts controlling these gentlemen ,like they do with any other commercial sector in the EU.

Regards and i am out of this discussion.Hail Starforce.

[Skybird]

Moreover, the Starforce drivers, installed on your system, grant ring 0 (system level) privileges to any code under the ring 3 (user level) privileges. Thus, any virus or trojan can get OS privileges and totally control your system. Since Windows 2000, the Windows line security and stability got enhanced by separating those privileges, but with the Starforce drivers, the old system holes and instabilities are back and any program (or virus) can reach the core of your system by using the Starforce drivers as a backdoor.

[U-214]

P.S:I don't know what exactly a rootkit is,i just read that Sony had it.I can only say one thing.Well,thank God that it doesn't have a rootkit too! There are enough things wrong in this protection and the way the game is sold already that make the rootkit danger the last concern i have.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Yes.

I agree with both you guys. This is growing tiresome. But I'm just looking for the truth. Will Starforce have a negative impact on my hardware? Until I know for sure..........

Sea Demon

[TteFAboB]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Can't this be fixed somehow by devs or StarForce? Like a patch or something? Or does StarForce depends on this "feature" to "prevent" pirating?

Well, it's CLEARLY cracked by now, so, StarForce became irrelevant, it doesn't need "extra" protection anymore, it is as good as any other protection software, old or new.

This is a good time to start developing a new protection system though, with all the negative publicity StarForce is receiving if someone can offer a good protection technology that CERTAINLY doesn't harm the user (no rumors, no tests needed, plain safe) he can capitalize on StarForce's demise, start coding.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by TteFAboB

Can't this be fixed somehow by devs or StarForce? Like a patch or something? Or does StarForce depends on this "feature" to "prevent" pirating?

I assume that is too much to be expected from a company that censors critical questions and deletes critizism and locks user accounts at their forum.

And beyond that security issue, the technical issues with DVD and CD drives remain. I just reminded of of the trojan/virus issue, because it almost never is mentioned in discussions. But it's a biggy. You only think it's minor as long as you are not hit. And if you are hit you probably wonder why and do not link it to the existence of SF on your system.

[Herr Karl]

The notification for my copy of UbiSoft SHIII is on page 4 of my Users Manual.

NOTICE: This game contains technology intended to prevent copying that may conflict with some disc and virtual drives.

*WHEW*

Thank God! No Rootkits!

[The Old Man]

I got this game late so I am a little behind on what's going on but I have already reinstalled it once after reformating my hard drive. If it's my understanding it's gonna harm my system????????????
"Everything's ruining fine" but if it is going to be messing my system up then it's gonna be collecting dust.
Roy