If we ever get VLS ships, what do you want for the interface

[Kapitan]

i train in the perry with a guy i basicaly call an ACE he knows the perry inside out;

we can fire off an average of 15 missiles in 1;30seconds (think have to re time it)

we can deploy helos on quick launch in 1:43

radar missiles ready in less than 3 minuets

cause we use the rule 10 mins weps hold and 2 hour max play we need quick launch helos, thats the only one we do use but tis great fun would swap my 22 year old perry for a nice new burke any day

[Fitz62STG]

The AEGIS simulation would be very difficult as they would have to model the radar environment in detail like the ocean environment is, which in my opinion can go way deeper. But, that is the way of video games. You can never have everything you want.

If we were to make everything more realistic we would have to take the MK 13 launcher off of the FFG first. No FFG in the USN has the single arm bandit anymore. So no more SM-1s (SM-2s in the game) and no more harpoons. It has been capped over and is but a scar on the forecastle of the FFGs now. The sensor suites are still the same, but the warfare capabilities are much different.

[Kapitan]

perrys have been downrated havnt they? from FFG to ocean escort?

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Kapitain

perrys have been downrated havnt they? from FFG to ocean escort?

They are still FFGs since the helo can fire AGM-119Bs.

... yea I know it dosn't make any sense but thats how it is...

[Fitz62STG]

Originally Posted by Kapitain

perrys have been downrated havnt they? from FFG to ocean escort?

Technically they would still be a FF. With the removal of the launcher they can't be a "G" anymore.

[Fitz62STG]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

They are still FFGs since the helo can fire AGM-119Bs.

... yea I know it dosn't make any sense but thats how it is...

It actually has to be a shipborne indigenous capability. They have to have an AAW missile capable of (x) range to be considered a FFG. Same applies for all ships. They have to have an AAW missile with a great enough range to get the "G" added to there designation. For example Spruance class DDs had Seasparrow SAM with a range of ~7nm but they didn't get the tag of DDG, but the Kidd class did because they has the SM-2 with a range of ~50nm.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Fitz62STG

It actually has to be a shipborne indigenous capability. They have to have an AAW missile capable of (x) range to be considered a FFG. Same applies for all ships. They have to have an AAW missile with a great enough range to get the "G" added to there designation. For example Spruance class DDs had Seasparrow SAM with a range of ~7nm but they didn't get the tag of DDG, but the Kidd class did because they has the SM-2 with a range of ~50nm.

Apparently the US Navy doesn’t know that since the OHPs are still FFGs according to them.

[Mau]

So that is why I was saying, why not a type 23, a Brandenburg or the excellent Halifax class. Those are current and are not way more complex than the OHP (in terms of game interface) and they have essentially the same role. All have Harpoons, two has Evolved Sea Sparrows and the other one has Sea wolfs

But unfortunately those platforms are not Americans........
But pleasewhy not???

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Mau

So that is why I was saying, why not a type 23, a Brandenburg or the excellent Halifax class. Those are current and are not way more complex than the OHP (in terms of game interface) and they have essentially the same role. All have Harpoons, two has Evolved Sea Sparrows and the other one has Sea wolfs

But unfortunately those platforms are not Americans........
But pleasewhy not???

Yep. Canadians have alot ot be proud of in the Halifax ships.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by Fitz62STG

If we were to make everything more realistic we would have to take the MK 13 launcher off of the FFG first. No FFG in the USN has the single arm bandit anymore.

Oh no. Why, why, why, why, why!

This would mean it has no air defense except for a gun and CIWS, and no real antiship ability. Great, now it can't go even against missile boats!

[RedDevilCG]

While were at it, why don't we model in a Victoria Class diesel submarine for our western diesel? Sounds like they have great potential to ruin someones day.

[Kapitan]

what do you expect they been sitting rusting in a dock for gawd knows how many years.

canada had the option of buying the Upholder or the brand new type 212/214 few million in cost diffrence

personaly id have bought the german units after all they will last longer and saving alot of money i mean where do you get the parts for an old banger nowdays?

[Apocal]

Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

Oh no. Why, why, why, why, why!

This would mean it has no air defense except for a gun and CIWS, and no real antiship ability. Great, now it can't go even against missile boats!

Because, in real life, the SM-1 just wasn't a terribly effective weapon and cost too much to maintain the support and training pipeline for the one-arm bandit. Same with the two-arm bandit, they were keeping a pipeline open for five ships, so they got rid of those ships. That being said, anti-ship missile defense capability of the OHPs is probably better now, since they got Nulkas on-board.

Of course, the proposed Mk 13 mod, firing dual-pack RAMs in addition to Nulka would have been even better, but the bottomline is the bottom line.

Apparently the US Navy doesn’t know that since the OHPs are still FFGs according to them.

Costs too much to change the hull classification. Although it was a running joke for awhile that the Navy had DDs with guided missiles (the Sprucans) and guided missile frigates without.

[Kapitan]

why dont they insert a plug and put VLS missiles in thier only a few that way you could extend the life of the ship another 20 years and have a more modern feel to it.

or replace the lot entirely

[Fitz62STG]

Originally Posted by Kapitain

why dont they insert a plug and put VLS missiles in thier only a few that way you could extend the life of the ship another 20 years and have a more modern feel to it.

or replace the lot entirely

I believe the whole thinking behind that is any upgrades like that would not be cost effective as I think the longest a OHP is projected to stay around is like 2013 or 2014. The Littoral Combat Ship will fill the role of the OHP and from what I have read it is not armed with AAW missiles such as the SM-2, but with a combination point defense (RAM) and ESSM (Super Whamidine Sea Sparrows).

Putting in a small VLS for say ESSM would be a good short range air defense fix for them. For the size of the launcher cap and the magazine below it you could probably plug in 4 to 6 VLS cells with 4 ESSM in each cell. But, the money is the issue. Money is spent just to keep them going until the end of their projected / extended service life.