Vote for best simulation - go vote for SHIII - Page 2

Krupp · 12-15-05, 04:40 AM

Falcon 4.0: Allied Force

12-15-05, 08:17 AM

Too bad T-72: Balkans on Fire isn't on that list, if it were, it would get my vote hands down. Abolutely awesome sim!

timetraveller · 12-15-05, 09:38 AM

One of the problems is defining the word "Best".

Does it mean best in adherance to realism and detail? That's mainly what "simulation" means. But at what cost to gameplay? I think best also means gameplay.

DW is highly complex (at least for me), very detailed, but graphics and models are poor. The learning curve is very steep, but I'm sure rewarding once you are past it. Gameplay? I dunno. I don't have time to get past the learning curve.

SH3 is medium complex, nice models, realistic enough, great gameplay, a great community, tremendous modding capabilities. Lots of history too. I love history.

I voted for SH3. Can't say I've ever tried Falcon 4.

TT

12-15-05, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

I have all three games and I voted for DW. SH3 isnÂ´t bad, but itÂ´s hardly the best sim of 2005.

Come on! I checked some screenshots of DW as I do not own a copy. The graphics STINK! I can't understand how someone would prefer DW before SH3!

Gizzmoe · 12-15-05, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CV-707 / Vesikko

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

I have all three games and I voted for DW. SH3 isnÂ´t bad, but itÂ´s hardly the best sim of 2005.

Come on! I checked some screenshots of DW as I do not own a copy. The graphics STINK! I can't understand how someone would prefer DW before SH3!

Graphics isnÂ´t the most important thing for me, the gameplay and things like an excellent mission editor are the deciding factor. Technically DW is much more advanced than SH3.

Krupp · 12-15-05, 10:32 AM

IMO.In "simulations", eyecandy should always come after the authenticity and realism when it comes to resources, development and planning games. Remember out-of-the-box-SH3

Not that good, but pretty.

CWorth · 12-15-05, 11:37 AM

As Gizzmoe and Krupp stated graphics are not what make a game good.Ive said it before and will say it again..The Combat Mission series is a very obsolete looking game graphics wise but is still to this date the best wargames made in terms of reality and feel of commanding troops in the field.

This is the criteria I used for games when voting for one comes into play.Not neccasarily in this order.

1. Graphics
2. Gamplay
3. Support from developers
4. Flaws and Bugs in the game
5. How true to real life is the game

SH3 falls short in numbers 3,4..lower score in 4 in turn brings down my scoring on number 2 due to bugs and flaws popping up.The graphics are top notch but that cant save it from its other problems of being buggy and flawed and having an unfinished feel.No support from the devs after a few months kills the score a bit as well..as well as the patches that never even attempted to fix some of the more glaring issues.As for true to real life it does well but still lacks something IMHO.Gamplay is fun and enjoyable but the mentioned flaws and bugs lower it a bit and do effect the gameplay.

Flacon 4.0 AF to me scores high in all categories but is short a bit in graphics but not by much.It is still supported by the devs and they communicate with the community as to what is going on.Gamplay is top notch and with one of the most advanced,easy to use,and well designed mission editors around.Also one of the most advanced dynamic campaigns ever seen in a simulator.Very few major flaws and bugs that effect the game and is probably the most advance,realistic simulator you will find on the PC to date.

Dangerous Waters I do not own so could not really count this into my choices.But I do own its predeccesor Sub Command and enjoyed it completely.

ReM · 12-15-05, 06:19 PM

Falcon 4 Allied Force is just a heavily modded Falcon 4.0 game. I own the original 4.0 Falcon game and I saw Allied Foce in action.....it's a pimped 4.0!
As I don't consider Falcon to be a new game, my vote went to SH III. I do like immersive simulations, but Falcon isn't new and DW graphics don't cut if for me.........they look to be suited for a Windows 95 environment!
Although the out-of-the-box SH III is far from perfect, the modders over here made sure that we can play SH III the way it could/should have been, if UBI had given the developers enough time!
Long live SH III !!!!!!

benetofski · 12-15-05, 06:29 PM

I think people should 'read' the title of the poll BEFORE VOTING:

"BEST SIMULATION"

does not read...

"MOST POPULAR SIM-LIKE GAME PLAYED BY SMALL GROUP OF SUB-NUTS"

or

"BEST SUB SIM EVER"

... pity they didnt include 'REAL' sims in the poll!

ReM · 12-15-05, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by benetofski

... pity they didnt include 'REAL' sims in the poll!

You are right:
the forgot the Sims Night Life!

tommyk · 12-16-05, 08:20 AM

done, voted for sh3... (but like f4af too)

Shakermaker · 12-16-05, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by joea

Conclusion: can't vote honestly

Don't be so prudent. It's an online vote ffs

Redbear · 12-17-05, 10:18 AM

Mission Accomplished!

ICBM · 12-17-05, 10:34 AM

SH3.

Smaragdadler · 12-17-05, 01:53 PM

I own SHIII and DW. Never got SHIII to run on my computer, so I have never played it and can not really commend about it.
DW I will play for years to come. It is actually more then one sim for the price. 4 different subs, a ship, a heli and a plane. (in SH3 terms it would a little be like to have playable subs, a integrated Destroyer Command and additionally maybe a Sunderland 'Flying Boat' ASW-Plane sim and to be able to to play all this platforms in single and multiplayer with even more than one player on one platform.)
I think the point of a subsim is to learn efficently use of the different stations. So good graphics are nice, but not the main thing.
To make it short: More button&switches to play with -> more fun and deeper sim. For me DW wins.

12-15-05, 04:40 AM	#16
Krupp Weps Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 351 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Falcon 4.0: Allied Force __________________ "Gentlemen, we have no choice. Total engagement. Die with dignity."

12-15-05, 10:32 AM	#21
Krupp Weps Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 351 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	IMO.In "simulations", eyecandy should always come after the authenticity and realism when it comes to resources, development and planning games. Remember out-of-the-box-SH3 Not that good, but pretty. __________________ "Gentlemen, we have no choice. Total engagement. Die with dignity."

12-15-05, 06:19 PM	#23
ReM Commodore Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Brewsky, Galore Posts: 618 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Falcon 4 Allied Force is just a heavily modded Falcon 4.0 game. I own the original 4.0 Falcon game and I saw Allied Foce in action.....it's a pimped 4.0! As I don't consider Falcon to be a new game, my vote went to SH III. I do like immersive simulations, but Falcon isn't new and DW graphics don't cut if for me.........they look to be suited for a Windows 95 environment! Although the out-of-the-box SH III is far from perfect, the modders over here made sure that we can play SH III the way it could/should have been, if UBI had given the developers enough time! Long live SH III !!!!!! __________________ Daddy cool

12-15-05, 06:29 PM	#24
benetofski Helmsman Join Date: May 2005 Location: Port Perry, Canada Posts: 106 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think people should 'read' the title of the poll BEFORE VOTING: "BEST SIMULATION" does not read... "MOST POPULAR SIM-LIKE GAME PLAYED BY SMALL GROUP OF SUB-NUTS" or "BEST SUB SIM EVER" ... pity they didnt include 'REAL' sims in the poll! __________________ OLt.z.S.Benetschik (Benetofski) [IMG][/IMG] \"U-bootwaffe - eine Gemeinschaft zusammengebracht durch Schicksal\"

12-16-05, 08:20 AM	#26
tommyk Watch Officer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Near U-995 (Kiel, Germany) Posts: 337 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	done, voted for sh3... (but like f4af too) __________________ Gute Jagd und fette Beute!

12-15-05, 08:17 AM	#17
U-49 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Too bad T-72: Balkans on Fire isn't on that list, if it were, it would get my vote hands down. Abolutely awesome sim!

12-15-05, 09:38 AM	#18
timetraveller Beach Leaf Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Atlantic Shipping Lanes Posts: 287 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	One of the problems is defining the word "Best". Does it mean best in adherance to realism and detail? That's mainly what "simulation" means. But at what cost to gameplay? I think best also means gameplay. DW is highly complex (at least for me), very detailed, but graphics and models are poor. The learning curve is very steep, but I'm sure rewarding once you are past it. Gameplay? I dunno. I don't have time to get past the learning curve. SH3 is medium complex, nice models, realistic enough, great gameplay, a great community, tremendous modding capabilities. Lots of history too. I love history. I voted for SH3. Can't say I've ever tried Falcon 4. TT

12-15-05, 11:37 AM	#22
CWorth Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gettysburg PA Posts: 845 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	As Gizzmoe and Krupp stated graphics are not what make a game good.Ive said it before and will say it again..The Combat Mission series is a very obsolete looking game graphics wise but is still to this date the best wargames made in terms of reality and feel of commanding troops in the field. This is the criteria I used for games when voting for one comes into play.Not neccasarily in this order. 1. Graphics 2. Gamplay 3. Support from developers 4. Flaws and Bugs in the game 5. How true to real life is the game SH3 falls short in numbers 3,4..lower score in 4 in turn brings down my scoring on number 2 due to bugs and flaws popping up.The graphics are top notch but that cant save it from its other problems of being buggy and flawed and having an unfinished feel.No support from the devs after a few months kills the score a bit as well..as well as the patches that never even attempted to fix some of the more glaring issues.As for true to real life it does well but still lacks something IMHO.Gamplay is fun and enjoyable but the mentioned flaws and bugs lower it a bit and do effect the gameplay. Flacon 4.0 AF to me scores high in all categories but is short a bit in graphics but not by much.It is still supported by the devs and they communicate with the community as to what is going on.Gamplay is top notch and with one of the most advanced,easy to use,and well designed mission editors around.Also one of the most advanced dynamic campaigns ever seen in a simulator.Very few major flaws and bugs that effect the game and is probably the most advance,realistic simulator you will find on the PC to date. Dangerous Waters I do not own so could not really count this into my choices.But I do own its predeccesor Sub Command and enjoyed it completely.

12-17-05, 10:18 AM	#28
Redbear Engineer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 208 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Mission Accomplished!

12-17-05, 10:34 AM	#29
ICBM Navy Dude Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Holland. Posts: 175 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	SH3. __________________

12-17-05, 01:53 PM	#30
Smaragdadler XO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Thuringia Posts: 429 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	I own SHIII and DW. Never got SHIII to run on my computer, so I have never played it and can not really commend about it. DW I will play for years to come. It is actually more then one sim for the price. 4 different subs, a ship, a heli and a plane. (in SH3 terms it would a little be like to have playable subs, a integrated Destroyer Command and additionally maybe a Sunderland 'Flying Boat' ASW-Plane sim and to be able to to play all this platforms in single and multiplayer with even more than one player on one platform.) I think the point of a subsim is to learn efficently use of the different stations. So good graphics are nice, but not the main thing. To make it short: More button&switches to play with -> more fun and deeper sim. For me DW wins.