Paris in flames,who/what is behind all?

[tycho102]

A fatwah doesn't do anything unless you have the psychopaths necessary to carry it out. It's not the arrest warrant that causes fear, it's the fear of the swat team carrying M-4's and tear gas. Same thing with the UN. Don't pass resolutions you're not prepared to enforce.

I want to know the total number of cars that have been burned. It was 1400 last night. Night before it was over 1000. Night before that it was 850. Night before that it was in the 300's.

Dude! It's going to be like Philadelphia, before long. :rotfl:

[bradclark1]

Wounder if it's going to be used as a way for something big happening. You know, conspiracy type thing. Just let you imagination run a little wild.

[bradclark1]

The first casualty has been reported also.

I think it's amazing that it went this long without death's.

[joea]

Originally Posted by Damo1977

When crap like this happens in Europe, I say deport the bastards. They want freedom and yet like to abuse it by resorting to violence more accustomed to their homelands so begone with them. It stems from this 'Multiculturalism' or 'melting pot' bull****e. Its turned us Westerners into 'tree loving hippies' who are afraid to speak our minds unless OMG we are branded as 'racist' or worse 'fascist'. I don't see many westerners jumping on boats and claiming refugee status in their countries. They should be very thankful we gave them a new life which they seem to like to abuse.

So begone with them and may they live a merry life back in their original country!!!

Well they are not just of the boat, most of them were born in France, that's what is worrying and the big problem. How to solve that? Deport French citizens?

[Damo1977]

Originally Posted by joea

Well they are not just of the boat, most of them were born in France, that's what is worrying and the big problem. How to solve that? Deport French citizens?

1st generation?, 2nd? so what? if they haven't assimilated deport the bastards!!! They left one country their culture destroyed, and now there on the road to destroying another. I would like to know one thing, if this starts spreading throughout the Western world, (which our Great and Glorious leaders are worrying about), where can the westerners become refugees?

[TLAM Strike]

Is France run by FEMA?!?! Its time to call in whatever the French have for a National Guard (Gendarmerie?) or their Army and close down those streets.

[tycho102]

As much as I hate the New York Times, they're reporting some of the stats.

While there had been earlier reports of rioters firing weapons, the shootings on Sunday marked the first time that police officers had been wounded by weapons since the riots began; 77 members of the police and 31 firemen have been injured since the disturbances began

Since then, nearly 5,000 vehicles have been destroyed, along with dozens of public buildings and private businesses.

Wow!

[Rockstar]

Ok France here's a little history lesson so get ready. People conquered by the Muslims usually get a choice. They can denounce their religion and convert to Islam, pay a tax to continue practicing their beliefs, become a slave, or be executed. Most chose to convert. But many people paid the tax.

Let's see if it helps, but I have my doubt whether Muslim leaders have these youth under control...

Horse puckey these extremists have leaders. North African Muslims having no intention of becoming a Frenchman or work! Rather desiring to live the way they want while soaking off a socialist government/welfare state.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by tycho102

As much as I hate the New York Times, they're reporting some of the stats.

Wow!

Pssssst!!!!

This was started by automakers Peugot, Renault and Citroen to beef up sales!

Pass it around.

[Skybird]

http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/21/21296/1.html

[AG124]

They are supposed to be living in poverty and misery, but in some of the pictures of the 'slums', I can't help but notice the satellite dishes that a lot of them can somehow afford.

France should bring in the army and show no mercy. This may be partially about blaming others for your lifestyle, but it's mainly just street gangs with nothing better to do with their lives being prodded on by drug pushers and a few extremists. I even heard in one source that a few gangs of white trash were joining in too, and I somehow doubt that they're protesting racism and inequality . It's just a time for losers who want to destroy other people's property to have some 'fun'.

And although only one person has been killed (if you don't count the break-and-enter criminals who were stupid enough to electrocute themselves to death in the first place), he was a poor old man trying to put out a fire in a garbage can before it caught his home on fire. And a 13 months old baby was taken to hospital with head injuries after being attacked with rocks . And a handicapped woman was doused with gasoline and set on fire . AND a team of paramedics trying to rescue a sick woman were attacked before their ambulance was destroyed . This isn't "effecting social change' - what can they possibly hope to accomplish through this. If anything, it could seriously undermine liberal attitudes towards them, but that's for history to determine . No one I know has a shred of pity towards them - the 'outrageous' comments by that French conservative who called them "rabble" are nothing compared to what I have heard personally.

I am not a racist, not at all. People should be allowed to practice their own beliefs in our society (as long as they do not contradict our laws), but should not be forcing them down the throats of others.

This post is not intended to offend anyone, except maybe the Paris rioters themselves if they are reading :hmm:.

[Rockstar]

Merde en France http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/11/7/94742/9727

By thankyougustad
Tue Nov 8th, 2005 at 07:07:44 AM EST

On Thursday October 27, 2005, Bouna Traore and Zyed Benna, French teenagers from the outskirts of Paris, were electrocuted while hiding from the Police in an electric substation. An official denial from the police was not enough to stop a night of rioting: the police spent the night clashing with groups of young people from the banlieue. That first night, 27 people were arrested. In the eleven nights since, the rioting has spread to more than thirty cities, from discontented community to discontented community all over France. Thousands of cars have been destroyed. Many public buildings have gone up in flames, including schools, stores, and police stations. More than one-thousand arrests have been made

And yet, the police are unable to control the rioters who, in a country where guns are illegal, shoot live ammunition at them. Every night, as the sun sets, France erupts in flames. In cities like Paris and Lyon, but also in smaller cities like Avignon, small communities like Valréas and Carpentras. Why is this happening? Why are rioters saying that it will not end until there are two dead cops?

La Racaille

While French President Jaques Chirac impotently calls for the reestablishment of Order and Respect for the Law, hardline Minister of the Interior Nicholas Sarkozy has called the rioters scum and called for them to be pressure cleaned from the cities. Whatever the purported original causes for the rioting, many young people in the suburbs claim that it is Sarkozy's disdain for their complaints that is provoking them now. They further insist that the rioting will continue until he resigns. Meanwhile, every morning the damage is reassessed and the cleanup begins.

Who is doing the Rioting?

After the breakdown of European colonialism, millions of people from the former French colonies were brought back to help reconstruct the damage from World War Two. Some, like the Harkis, who fought at the sides of the losing French army in The Algerian War for Independence, had little choice but to come back to France. They were put in grim edifices on the outskirts of France's biggest cities, Paris, Marseille, Strasbourg, Toulouse, and left there for thirty years. The people who live there, mostly the second and third generations of North African immigrants, complain of disastrously low employment rates, drugs, crime, police abuse, and the feeling of being neglected by French society. They are political mutes; There are no major political figures that are French of North African extraction.

France knows it has a problem. It has been less than a month since the fires in slum buildings that killed entire families of African immigrants. The French population has shown its support countless times in demonstrations against the absurd and inhuman governmental policies toward the immigrants. In film, literature, music, and television, the plight of young urban people, white and otherwise, has been explored.

There have even been precursers to these riots, going all the way back to the late 70's. In April, the death of a youngster shot by police in Aubervilles sparked rioting on a small scale. To keep things in perspective: in the first ten months of 2005, 28,000 cars were set on fire in France. Police in Marseille say that no more cars burned there over the weekend than do on any other weekend. The discontent has been smoldering for a long time; people are unhappy.

Sarkozy is a future presidential candidate and it seems unlikely that he will resign from his position. In fact, his current approval rating among French people is a healthy 57%. He is a law and order candidate, and indeed, his forceful words are likely to improve his standing with middle class people in France. The left wing has denounced him for coddling the right wing, but their own position in France has been consistently eroded the past couple of years as their policies have failed to improve social conditions.

What is the role of Islam in the riots?

Despite the claims of right wingers in both France and America, Islam seems to play only a minor role in the current unrest. The head of the Mosque in the flash point of the conflict, Clichy-Sous-Bois, has called for peace. Islamic leaders all over the country are joining tired and scared citizens in marches denouncing the violence and calling for a dialogue.

The French police launched a tear gas grenade against the Clichy-Sous-Bois Mosque, further enraging the already allienated community. The attack seems more an attack on them and their way of life than it does on Islam itself.

The Union of Islamic Organizations in France has issued a Fatwa against the rioting, saying that "It is strictly forbidden for any Muslim... to take part in any action that strikes blindly at private or public property or that could threaten the lives of others." It has, however been mostly ineffective so far. Although the disaffected youth are predominantly from North African immigrant families, who follow an Islamic tradition, they are generally not practicing. The use of hash and alcohol is high in these communities. Arabic is widely understood, but fewer and fewer people can speak it. Their knowledge of the Qu'ran is passing. Islamic religious law has less and less hold on them.

Sunday night marked the first time two Catholic Churches were attacked, at Saint-Edouard à Lens (Pas-de-Calais)and l'île de Thau à Sète (Hérault), but this seems to be more an attack on the institutions of France than it does on Christianity. There are even alarming suggestions that the rioters are competing with each other in a chauvanistic fashion to wreak the most havoc.

However, there can be little doubt that religious extremists are in France and that they have fomented Islamic fanatacism in the dissaffected areas. Although the attacks do not seem to be religious in nature, religious fundamentalism is almost certainly present in a minority of rioters. There is a risk that leaders of terrorist cells will tap into this fact to organize mob attacks on civilian targets.

This doesn't change the fact that the rioters are from a poor, uneducated jobless stratum of society. Most Islamic funamentalists are from the middle class. Making this into an issue of Islamic Jihad and Sharia is to ignore the true problems. In order to find real solutions, the real problems need to be addressed.

The rioting is so widespread that authorities are talking about, at the very least, organized crime involvement. Molotov cocktail factories have been discovered, on the internet one can read incendiary calls to rioting, outraged at police brutality and a government that ignores them. This video gives an image of the riots. They complain of a "Facist" Sakorzy. They speak of "two brothers of ours, killed. That and the Mosque, that's too much." They are used to the police violence, being asked for their papers over and over. At the end of the video, a stoney faced but powerless Sarkozy threatens them with MORE police and MORE prison time (France's prisons are all ready over-crowded and dangerous) the very thing they are ardently fighting against! How are these two things to be reconcilled?

At the time of writing, the first rioters were coming before France's Judges.

The presumed authors of violence in the suburbs, presented Monday in courts across France, are mostly very young and seem to have acted without coherent motives and without organization. - La Libération

There is widespread discontentment in France, and now that Saint-Gillis, Brussels, Belgium, has seen violence, and there are possible copycat indcidents in Bremen and Berlin, Germany, the European failure to integrate their immigrants has taken on a new immediacy. There are violent protests in Denmark. Politcal leaders in Italy are calling for urgent action, saying that "We have the worst suburbs in Europe. I don't think things are so different from Paris. It's only a matter of time."

Is this The Revolution?

France has a proud tradition of revolution. Indeed, the current government is the Fifth Republic since the famous French Revolution. There are whispers in France of chopping heads, of tearing down the government. People are angry, and despite night after night of rioting, the Government seems unwilling or unable to respond to their complaints. For thirty years people have been complaining from the hideous concrete building complexes on the outskirts of European cities. The list of rioting communities is breathtaking.

Some of the stories are ugly. A 56 year old women was sprayed with gasoline and set on fire as she tried to get off a burning bus. No one was arrested when the police showed up and had a showdown with 200 masked teens.

In another incident, the paramedics were called to the apartement of a man sufferening from a heart attack. Local youths stoned them, forcing them to barracade themselves in the victim's apartement. The ambulance was then set on fire.

The first casuality since the death of the two boys has been marked:
Jean-Jacques Le Chenadec, 61, was reportedly struck by a hooded man in the street after he and a neighbour went to inspect damage to bins near their apartment block in the town of Stains, in the Seine-Saint-Denis region outside Paris. - BBC
These barbaric acts underline the fact that there is no guiding philosopy for this revolt. There are no high ideas that dictate morals. It is unbridled frustration unleashed on victims in reach. Although the actual city of Paris has seen spotty car fires, the vast majority of arson has been taken place in the suburbs. The rioters are effectively ****ting in their own beds, and yet they deem this a necessary act of revolution.
Why burn these cars that, more often than not, belong to those around them? "We don't have a choice. We're ready to sacrifice everything since we don't have anything," justifies Bilal. "We even burned a buddy's car. That pissed him off, but he understood." - Le Monde
While the right wingers sweat behind their gates, the poor people are destroying their own communities. It is hard to see anything revolutionary.

What course of action, then, is the government to take? They are unprepared to unleash force, out of fear that the population, already practically out of control, will become unstoppable. Many citizens are calling for the Army to be deployed. But what will happen when the first young French Arab from La Cité is killed by forces of law and order? And indeed, what will happen when the first policeman is killed by a young French Arab? The French government seems stuck in a very tight spot that has needed addressing for fifty years now. They either can stop the rioting by any means necessary, or risk a veritable civil war.

[Damo1977]

This is all the fault of 'whiteperson's, "political corectness". Pandering to the minorities in our own countries. But there is one problem, the Algerians, (who caused the riots) were faithful French Foreign Legion descendants and than discarded to the waste bin by the French. I say bring back Napeoleon Bonarparte, he would show how to quell street riots and I say 'Death to the Royalists'.

[Dan D]

Album of the week:
„Princes de la ville� by 113, french 'ip 'op,
smashing record, bought in France 1999 when it was in the top 10 charts.

Favourite song:
“tonton du bled�, best played –unpolitical correct- in asskicking loud surround sound when cruising up an down the main road in a gangsta car with black mirrowed-glass, or at least wear sun glasses.

Here ve go with ze song:
http://www.113online.com/
“Faire un tour au salon�: videos,
clip 6 “tonton du bled�,
clip 7 “Princes de la ville�

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[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Dan D

Favourite song:
“tonton du bled�, best played –unpolitical correct

Jes nes parles pas Francais.