China tests new ballistic missile submarine - Page 2

Type941 · 09-14-05, 02:55 PM

Borey, sevdvinsk and lada amur - are these new boats? Never heard of them...

TLAM Strike · 09-14-05, 03:02 PM

Borey is the new Russian SSN.
sevdvinsk is the new SSBN
lada/amur is the new SSK and SSG.

Kapitan · 09-14-05, 03:07 PM

er no tlam

borey is the new SSBN and is in active service
sevdvinsk is the new SSN/SSGN
and lada amur is the new SSK/SSG

Oberon · 09-14-05, 03:08 PM

Heh, I wonder if they'll manage to keep this one afloat? They haven't done such a good job with the Xia (s)

Still, it's always worth keeping an eye on China's military, sometimes it can be quite virulent

Kapitan · 09-14-05, 03:09 PM

reportidly in 1985 china lost a xia class SSBN in the yellow sea so only one was left that and the lone elderly golf SSB which by the way is still in service with china

PeriscopeDepth · 09-14-05, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitain

the mig 31's i know are oparational

By operational I mean 80% could go flying and fight right now if they got the call.

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most mig 29's have been upgraded

I believe the SMT upgrade should have long been completed by now (whether it was and to what extent I can't find any information on). That was slated for 150 MiG-29s that were built in the last decade. And then withdraw the unmodernized ones from service, which would be a good idea.

Type941 · 09-14-05, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitain

er no tlam

borey is the new SSBN and is in active service
sevdvinsk is the new SSN/SSGN
and lada amur is the new SSK/SSG

You got any pics of them and info? How do they compare to american subs.

Kapitan · 09-14-05, 04:24 PM

il post once i finnish the can you guess number 3 post

Type941 · 09-14-05, 04:35 PM

I checked google, the borey looks like delta with Alfa conning tower or something, but it's just some drawing.. If you have photos, would be interesting.

BTW, I thought all Typhoons were out of service, but you list them as operational?

Kapitan · 09-14-05, 04:38 PM

only three typhoons are out of service we do know TK17 and TK20 are still active and will be active till 2008

TK208 dmitri donoskoy is active she is still testing the beluva missiles the ones ment to go in the borey

the picture you refer to on google is of the sevdvinsk class

as of this moment i have only a render of a borey no offical picture has been released and its unlikely too yet given that the borey only enterd full swing in january

PeriscopeDepth · 09-14-05, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitain

navy is down sizing as of 2015 it should look some thing like this:

SSBN: 12 borey class
SSGN: 8 oscar II class
SSN: 25 sevdvinsk class(also double as SSGN) + 5 akula class (last few boats)
SSK: 10 lada amur class
SSG: 12 lada amur conversions

Kapitain, wouldn't you say 25 new SSNs in 10 years is a wee bit optimistic?

Type941 · 09-14-05, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kapitain

navy is down sizing as of 2015 it should look some thing like this:

SSBN: 12 borey class
SSGN: 8 oscar II class
SSN: 25 sevdvinsk class(also double as SSGN) + 5 akula class (last few boats)
SSK: 10 lada amur class
SSG: 12 lada amur conversions

Kapitain, wouldn't you say 25 new SSNs in 10 years is a wee bit optimistic?

I would say 'no' 10 years ago, but Russia has much more money now, so Im not so sure today. If they plan to fully upgrade the fleet to 4th gen subs, they might do it. Remember, for them the SSBN is probably THE most important factor at keeping the agressors out in case of an all out country vs counry war. All of Russian army and Fleet is just that - a defense measure, so I think they'll do just enough to get those subs going, but of course it bettern not be done at the expense of the economy like it was in the USSR.

Kapitan · 09-14-05, 04:48 PM

no considering 4 sevdvinsks are in some stage of construction all ready

3 boreys are either compleate or being constructed (one is at sea and one sevdvinsk is reported floating readying for sea trials and another possibly ready for launch this is from javier a friend of mine in spain)

only one other lada has been laid down

consider in 10 years russia managed to launch what 70 maybe hitting 80 submarines cold war

so 21 shouldnt be a problem however it is doubt full but work has been going on since 1995 and one source reports sevdvinsk already at sea

Kapitan · 09-14-05, 05:04 PM

http://www.bellona.no/imaker?sub=1&id=10120

this report says a sevdvinsk is in commission

http://www.bellona.no/en/internation...els/28907.html

this was in 2003 however construction has sped up just look at kugar and rys they came down the slip way within months of each other

Kapitan · 09-14-05, 05:10 PM

reports in that there could be as many as 15 boreys going to see this would acctualy seem likely and if putin stays in power you can count on the full 15

http://www.bellona.no/en/internation...els/34010.html

09-14-05, 02:55 PM	#16
Type941 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: U-52 Posts: 1,270 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Borey, sevdvinsk and lada amur - are these new boats? Never heard of them... __________________ Sink the Bismarck SH3 Movie

09-14-05, 03:02 PM	#17
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Borey is the new Russian SSN. sevdvinsk is the new SSBN lada/amur is the new SSK and SSG. __________________

09-14-05, 03:07 PM	#18
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	er no tlam borey is the new SSBN and is in active service sevdvinsk is the new SSN/SSGN and lada amur is the new SSK/SSG __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

09-14-05, 03:09 PM	#20
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	reportidly in 1985 china lost a xia class SSBN in the yellow sea so only one was left that and the lone elderly golf SSB which by the way is still in service with china __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

09-14-05, 04:24 PM	#23
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	il post once i finnish the can you guess number 3 post __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

09-14-05, 03:08 PM	#19
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Heh, I wonder if they'll manage to keep this one afloat? They haven't done such a good job with the Xia (s) Still, it's always worth keeping an eye on China's military, sometimes it can be quite virulent

09-14-05, 04:35 PM	#24
Type941 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: U-52 Posts: 1,270 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I checked google, the borey looks like delta with Alfa conning tower or something, but it's just some drawing.. If you have photos, would be interesting. BTW, I thought all Typhoons were out of service, but you list them as operational? __________________ Sink the Bismarck SH3 Movie

09-14-05, 04:38 PM	#25
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	only three typhoons are out of service we do know TK17 and TK20 are still active and will be active till 2008 TK208 dmitri donoskoy is active she is still testing the beluva missiles the ones ment to go in the borey the picture you refer to on google is of the sevdvinsk class as of this moment i have only a render of a borey no offical picture has been released and its unlikely too yet given that the borey only enterd full swing in january __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

09-14-05, 04:48 PM	#28
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	no considering 4 sevdvinsks are in some stage of construction all ready 3 boreys are either compleate or being constructed (one is at sea and one sevdvinsk is reported floating readying for sea trials and another possibly ready for launch this is from javier a friend of mine in spain) only one other lada has been laid down consider in 10 years russia managed to launch what 70 maybe hitting 80 submarines cold war so 21 shouldnt be a problem however it is doubt full but work has been going on since 1995 and one source reports sevdvinsk already at sea __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

09-14-05, 05:04 PM	#29
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	http://www.bellona.no/imaker?sub=1&id=10120 this report says a sevdvinsk is in commission http://www.bellona.no/en/internation...els/28907.html this was in 2003 however construction has sped up just look at kugar and rys they came down the slip way within months of each other __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

09-14-05, 05:10 PM	#30
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,132 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	reports in that there could be as many as 15 boreys going to see this would acctualy seem likely and if putin stays in power you can count on the full 15 http://www.bellona.no/en/internation...els/34010.html __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/