Last Real Life Torpedo Sinking? - Page 2

Sarge McSarge · 09-12-05, 07:12 PM

It wasn't just the exocet that did the damage. The Air Force A4 Skyhawks scored quite a number of bomb hits on British ships and if all hits had exploded there would have been a higher number of sinkings. I can't recall the exact details but one particular Argintinian squadron scored almost all the hits and this occured an missions led by two particular individuals. As usual it's not the weapon but the opperator that makes the difference.

Sarge

MuscleBob.Buffpants · 09-13-05, 12:59 AM

The Argentine A4's were dropping slick (non retarded) Mk82 500lb bombs. They fuzed them with the M904 fuze (a point detonating mechanical fuze).

Only problem is the M904 when dropped as a slick takes time to arm - normally set about 15sec as that is adequate when droping from altitude or when toss-bombing. Any shorter and a low altitude release could plan the aircraft within the frag pattern of the bomb. Which is bad.

As the British SAMs and Harriers forced the A4's to keep low, the fuze didn't have sufficient time to arm before hitting.

If the Argentines had the Snake eye tail, set the fuze with a 1.5 sec arm time and a 20 millisecond delay, there may have been a lot more Royal Navy ships at the bottom.

MuscleBob
Ex A4 BB stacker.

JohnnyPotPie · 09-13-05, 01:39 AM

really cool postings everybody

Sarge McSarge · 09-13-05, 05:35 PM

I remember the Brits were very unhappy when the british media reported that there were unexploded bombs in some of the ships. They didn't want the Argintinians to know about the fuze situation. One thing that interested me was the ammount of damage caused by the impact of the bombs that did not explode. Damage to all sorts of systems, fires, crew injuries etc. I guess when you drop a 500lb (226kg) hunk of steel at a fwe hundred knots its going to make a mess. Same with the exocet. Quite a bit of the damage is caused by the impact and the unused rocket fuel even if the warhead does not explode.

Sarge

John Channing · 09-13-05, 06:16 PM

Well... if I remember first year physics...

Force = Mass x Velocity.

500 Lbs moving at 300 Miles per hour could certainly ruin your day, even if it didn't explode.

JCC

iambecomelife · 09-13-05, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Channing

Well... if I remember first year physics...

Force = Mass x Velocity.

500 Lbs moving at 300 Miles per hour could certainly ruin your day, even if it didn't explode.

JCC

Yep. I read that the unexploded bombs often caused terrible damage & some casualties on the lightly-built British vessels they hit. Plus, the friction can still cause fires even if the warhead and explosives remain inert.

dhw200 · 09-13-05, 06:38 PM

The reason that WWII torps were used and not modern ones was cost. Its far cheaper to get vintage WWII torps than modern wire guided fish. The older torps also had a larger warhead, so they do more damage. The shot the Conquerer used was a classic Perisher shot. Fire one ahead of the ship, one at the center, one at the stern. The impacts was one bow hit and one stern hit. Perisher is the command qualification course that every British sub commander takes and MUST pass to command a sub.

And im american, not british in case ur wondering.

Captain Vlad · 09-14-05, 12:57 PM

Didn't a Pakistani sub torpedo an Indian destroyer, or something like that, at some point?

Razman23 · 09-14-05, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarge McSarge

It wasn't just the exocet that did the damage. The Air Force A4 Skyhawks scored quite a number of bomb hits on British ships and if all hits had exploded there would have been a higher number of sinkings. I can't recall the exact details but one particular Argintinian squadron scored almost all the hits and this occured an missions led by two particular individuals. As usual it's not the weapon but the opperator that makes the difference.

Sarge

I agree totally with your assessment (SP?).

Have you seen the video of the attack on the Royal Navy in the bay? Its the one where you see all the supply ships and all the white dots flying around is the A4s.

I particulary like the A4 that explodes in mid-air. Quite a show even if the pilot didnt make it.

Spaxspore · 09-15-05, 07:08 AM

Intresting Read guys, thanks for the info

pampanito · 09-15-05, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Vlad

Didn't a Pakistani sub torpedo an Indian destroyer, or something like that, at some point?

Yes. Pakistan submarine HANGOR sank the Indian frigate KHUKRI on 9 December 1971 with the loss of 194 men.

Full article:
http://indiannavy.nic.in/Tr2Trmph/ch...971%20wnc1.htm

09-12-05, 07:12 PM	#16
Sarge McSarge Seaman Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wanaka, NZ Posts: 33 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It wasn't just the exocet that did the damage. The Air Force A4 Skyhawks scored quite a number of bomb hits on British ships and if all hits had exploded there would have been a higher number of sinkings. I can't recall the exact details but one particular Argintinian squadron scored almost all the hits and this occured an missions led by two particular individuals. As usual it's not the weapon but the opperator that makes the difference. Sarge __________________ Age and deciet will always beat youth and skill

09-13-05, 01:39 AM	#18
JohnnyPotPie Loader Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 89 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	really cool postings everybody __________________ be more aggressive

09-13-05, 05:35 PM	#19
Sarge McSarge Seaman Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wanaka, NZ Posts: 33 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I remember the Brits were very unhappy when the british media reported that there were unexploded bombs in some of the ships. They didn't want the Argintinians to know about the fuze situation. One thing that interested me was the ammount of damage caused by the impact of the bombs that did not explode. Damage to all sorts of systems, fires, crew injuries etc. I guess when you drop a 500lb (226kg) hunk of steel at a fwe hundred knots its going to make a mess. Same with the exocet. Quite a bit of the damage is caused by the impact and the unused rocket fuel even if the warhead does not explode. Sarge __________________ Age and deciet will always beat youth and skill

09-14-05, 12:57 PM	#23
Captain Vlad Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pollard, Oklahoma Posts: 679 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Didn't a Pakistani sub torpedo an Indian destroyer, or something like that, at some point? __________________ "Stop sounding battlestations just to hear the alarm."

09-15-05, 07:08 AM	#25
Spaxspore Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 399 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Intresting Read guys, thanks for the info __________________ Behold, the Glory of the Sh4 engine..... Morning strole off Tokyo Bay...

09-13-05, 12:59 AM	#17
MuscleBob.Buffpants Seaman Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 38 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The Argentine A4's were dropping slick (non retarded) Mk82 500lb bombs. They fuzed them with the M904 fuze (a point detonating mechanical fuze). Only problem is the M904 when dropped as a slick takes time to arm - normally set about 15sec as that is adequate when droping from altitude or when toss-bombing. Any shorter and a low altitude release could plan the aircraft within the frag pattern of the bomb. Which is bad. As the British SAMs and Harriers forced the A4's to keep low, the fuze didn't have sufficient time to arm before hitting. If the Argentines had the Snake eye tail, set the fuze with a 1.5 sec arm time and a 20 millisecond delay, there may have been a lot more Royal Navy ships at the bottom. MuscleBob Ex A4 BB stacker.

09-13-05, 06:16 PM	#20
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	Well... if I remember first year physics... Force = Mass x Velocity. 500 Lbs moving at 300 Miles per hour could certainly ruin your day, even if it didn't explode. JCC

09-13-05, 06:38 PM	#22
dhw200 Bilge Rat Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The reason that WWII torps were used and not modern ones was cost. Its far cheaper to get vintage WWII torps than modern wire guided fish. The older torps also had a larger warhead, so they do more damage. The shot the Conquerer used was a classic Perisher shot. Fire one ahead of the ship, one at the center, one at the stern. The impacts was one bow hit and one stern hit. Perisher is the command qualification course that every British sub commander takes and MUST pass to command a sub. And im american, not british in case ur wondering.