Akula 65 Torpedo

[SquidB]

It would be nice to be able to limit which weapons you can take.

I would of thought even in wartime a captian would sail out with what he was given and not what he could chose.

Im sure that a mix of weapons would be more sensible given that it is unlikely to know excatly what your going up against.

Its a luxury we have but surely unrealistic?

[Kapitan]

not realy it depends entirly on what the mission is whats in the stores the rest is left to the skipper to decide

[Bellman]

We do seem to love those 65s

A choice of traditional (SS) or wakehomeing as a loadout or software implementation would be Nirvana. :|\

[Amizaur]

Originally Posted by Piervit

In my opinion ASROC are too performant.

-No "torpedo in the water" at the lauch but when it hit the water.

Maybe some kind of "underwater missile launch" messages will be included in next versions of DW

-A too good sonar. It can detect a target too easily. In SC, an ASROC need to be at 1nm of a target for detect it. It oblige to have a very good TMA (manual TMA often).

Abosolutely ! The small air-dropped torpedos simply don't have 5k yards acquire range like in DW. In reality only heavyweight torpedos in good conditions and large target achieve similar performance. The seeker of late Mk46 is said to have range of about 1500yd, Mk50 is said to double this. Older russian ASW torpedos had about 1000-1500m acquire range, best modern APR-3E is claimed to have 2500m acquire range.
So seekers of small ASW torpedos (and old heavyweight torpedos) should be at least halved in the game. I wrote this many times and hope someone from Sonalysts read this, also I hope that Luftwolf will agree to make this change in his mod. This would make SUBROCs little less "super" weapon.

-important speed (65 knots, for SS-N-27 ASW). The target has no many time for avoid.

Not sure if that's realistic... don't see a Russian ASW torpedo with 65kts speed, they were electric in most cases. The 350mm APR family solid-propelland powered torpedos are even little faster (APR-3E 70kts) but are not used in SS-N-27 ASW system, lighter 285kg (APR-3E weights 475kg) 324mm electric MPT-1UE torpedo was chosen insteed.

APR family is probably used only as air-dropped ASW weapon, not as missile payload.
But if it was chosen to be element of SS-N-27, then it would have 70kts speed but it's range is probably only 1-2nm.

I am Akula diver, and i prefer use 65cm because it is too easy to score a kill with ASROC.

Then why not go further with challenges and try to use UGST torpedos in Luftwolf's mod - because I think that it's too easy to score a kill with 65cm :-)
And I think that SUBROCs acquire range will be reduced in mod, too bad I didn't suggested to include this change from the start, simply forgot :-(

[Bellman]

UGST SCX had 37.5 nm range - Luftam max active 16.3 nm passive 17 nm.(appx) :hmm:

Yes the skilled will close but without the 65s long range duel potential in DW MP will descend back
into missile overkill. Is that what we want ?

The SC 65 v 48 duels were fun because both SW and Ak, in their different ways, could dice at distance.

If there is a desire to castrate the Akula lets be honest about the intent, because thats the direction its going in. :hmm:

[Amizaur]

Well, in reality there is no long-range duels between modern quite submarines. Detection ranges of 688I vs Akula II would be inside 10k yards (probably very much inside) :-).

The UGST torpedo has specs about that:

range up to 50km/27nm with speed 35kts
range up to 25km/13.5nm with speed 50kts

for gameplay we may stretch the short-range mode to 30km/16nm at 50kts but not more.

ADCAP is said to be about:

27nm at 40kts
21nm at 55kts

some sources 11-14nm/65kts
some others say also about 30nm/40kts but 27 is "about 30" ;-)

So, if currently the short-range modes are not simulated properly (torpedos have always max range regardles of speed) and range for ADCAP is hard set to 27nm, then for UGST it should be set to 27nm too, not short-range 13-16nm mode. Or decrease ADCAP range to 21nm to simulate short-range only mode :-).

I think in the future I convince Luftwolf to use my torpedo doctrines with speed/depth/range depending on each other and we will have realistic speed/range combinations. But for now, Luftwolf if ADCAP is 27nm then please increase the range of UGST to it's max value too - 27nm. It will have only speed penalty against ADCAP, but range will be the same. And... hmmm... this will be the same range and speed as for 65cm (50kts 27nm) sooo... nobody should miss guided 65cm any more I think ?
If you feel that it's too close to ADCAP specs (and UGST should be inferior in range/speed parametres, only the max range is similar) then we could give to ADCAP max speed of 60kts - it's credited to be capable of even more (some sources say 11-14nm at 65kts) but 60kts for sure :-).

[LuftWolf]

Amizaur, you're making good sense. I think all that is a good idea.

I have the next two days free. I'm ready to get down to work. :|\

Send me anything you've got.

[LuftWolf]

I like making the ADCAP 60 kts and increasing the range of the UGST to 27nm.

And the torpedo seekers... and a whole bunch of other stuff I have to think about when I have had some sleep.

[Bellman]

Wow - thats nice music guys. :|\

Re seeker (In mod) - Tested UGST countermeasures (no conclusion yet) but had a 53 active, enabled and at 100 mtrs depth,
wired back at my Ak and she didnt pick me up at 300 mtrs depth plus and running-in from about 2 nm.
We were both on an identical course.

I would have thought that with the 'too wide' seeker cone discussed it would have picked me up. I will try some more tests.

[LuftWolf]

Yeah, I was just giving you "a glimps into my world" in the other thread... but it changes quickly sometimes...