Is UUV usage by the player an exploit? - Page 2

Takeda Shingen · 08-11-05, 09:01 AM

*cough*Captainerror*cough*

Kapitan · 08-11-05, 09:03 AM

wasnt error i did dectect the ship 20 miles away well part of the task force only i failed to detect the carrier properly and popped up to PD and then i noticed a great grey lump heading to me so anyones fault its the sonars

Bellman · 08-11-05, 09:19 AM

Appoligise to Mark - as we have drifted from UUV to TIW, but I really am going to miss the tactical
flexibility that the extended torp control options gave you in SCX. both in depth and speed.

As I am unable to return to MP yet in DW, I have to ask - has anyone noticed any new features in MP with TIWs.
I gather their now received at unrealisticaly extended ranges ?

Is launch behind a seamount or iceberg effective in avoiding TIWs ?
Any tips any techniques - I am as blotting paper. :hmm:

OKO · 08-11-05, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by timmyg00

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Originally Posted by The Bellman

An afterthought - is it possible to launch torps slow and deep and avoid TIW ? :hmm:

Never seen it - never done it but.......?

No. I don't think the torpedo's motor noise is reduced by launching it at slow speed (in the sim).

TG

it is Timmy
try an ADCAP launch, with one at 55knts and the other at 40 knts
sent them to 15 miles and return them to your position
You will see, at same distance, the 40 knts torp is quieter than the 55knts one on your sonar.

Bellman · 08-11-05, 09:32 AM

My question related to avoiding TIWs.

Bellman · 08-11-05, 09:35 AM

..............as I have no way of testing in MP .
No MP facility and no second PC + Lan !

Kapitan · 08-11-05, 09:35 AM

simple you cant theres no way unless you switch off sonar you can avoid a TIW it will sho up 100000 meters away or 10 meters away if the torpedo has to cavitate to get to target it will show no matter what

OKO · 08-11-05, 09:48 AM

Well ... sending a slower torp will delay the TIW for your target
but as soon as the sonar operator could see the fish, you will have TIWS, you, and even all AI plateforms with sonar.

You could try some tests to look at best things to delay the TIW
On surface ships, I saw that launching a passive torp slower than original speed will give you a very high probability to hit the target =>
- passive seeker have wide range
- TIW is delayed for the engaged target (especially usefull with warships ...) and it will react too late to avoid the torps.

You just have to avoid collateral damage (guiding torps), as the seeker in passive is really attracted by the louder sounds.
And without guided torps, to open the seeker at the right moment (close to the target).

Passive generally (not all ....) need to slow down
but on MP sub vs sub fight, you never use passive, but you can slow your torps down to let them give a thinner track on the ennemy sonar .... and to delay the TIWS (if you are at long range from him)

Bellman · 08-11-05, 11:08 AM

We are talking sub v sub TIWs ?

OKO wrote :-
'Well ... sending a slower torp will delay the TIW for your target.'

How ? If its not speed or range related.

OKO wrote :-
'You could try some tests to look at best things to delay the TIW'

Not in MP, for me and SP AI responses very variable.

OKO wrote :-
'but on MP sub vs sub fight, you never use passive'

MP players used them to great effect in sub v sub with 1.8 - I think I read they have toned down their 'sensitivity' in DW.

It seems to me that baffled areas have no effect on TIWs as you still get them from torp launch
bearings which should be baffled. :hmm:

Fish · 08-11-05, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bellman

..............as I have no way of testing in MP .
No MP facility and no second PC + Lan !

You can do what ever you want to do behind islands and seamounts, even active pining.
Nothing will be heard the other side.

Fish · 08-11-05, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bellman

An afterthought - is it possible to launch torps slow and deep and avoid TIW ? :hmm:

Never seen it - never done it but.......?

No, that is... till +/- 40 nm.

Amizaur · 08-11-05, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bellman

An afterthought - is it possible to launch torps slow and deep and avoid TIW ? :hmm:

Well, I've tried this in test MP game, launched torps as deep as I could (2100ft in a Seawolf) and the other player still got TIW message...
Torps seemed to not cavitate at this depth.
One more thing I have to check is to fire them at very low speed (10kts or so) but with standard game doctrines there is no way to speed them up later so it's useless even if it worked...

timmyg00 · 08-11-05, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKO

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmyg00

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bellman

An afterthought - is it possible to launch torps slow and deep and avoid TIW ? :hmm:

Never seen it - never done it but.......?

No. I don't think the torpedo's motor noise is reduced by launching it at slow speed (in the sim).

TG

it is Timmy
try an ADCAP launch, with one at 55knts and the other at 40 knts
sent them to 15 miles and return them to your position
You will see, at same distance, the 40 knts torp is quieter than the 55knts one on your sonar.

That's good news, although I'm not sure it will have much effect at typical engagement ranges

TG

08-11-05, 09:03 AM	#17
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	wasnt error i did dectect the ship 20 miles away well part of the task force only i failed to detect the carrier properly and popped up to PD and then i noticed a great grey lump heading to me so anyones fault its the sonars __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

08-11-05, 09:35 AM	#22
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	simple you cant theres no way unless you switch off sonar you can avoid a TIW it will sho up 100000 meters away or 10 meters away if the torpedo has to cavitate to get to target it will show no matter what __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

08-11-05, 09:01 AM	#16
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	coughCaptainerrorcough

08-11-05, 09:19 AM	#18
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	Appoligise to Mark - as we have drifted from UUV to TIW, but I really am going to miss the tactical flexibility that the extended torp control options gave you in SCX. both in depth and speed. As I am unable to return to MP yet in DW, I have to ask - has anyone noticed any new features in MP with TIWs. I gather their now received at unrealisticaly extended ranges ? Is launch behind a seamount or iceberg effective in avoiding TIWs ? Any tips any techniques - I am as blotting paper. :hmm:

08-11-05, 09:32 AM	#20
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	My question related to avoiding TIWs.

08-11-05, 09:48 AM	#23
OKO Commander Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Solar system, mainly on earth Posts: 476 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Well ... sending a slower torp will delay the TIW for your target but as soon as the sonar operator could see the fish, you will have TIWS, you, and even all AI plateforms with sonar. You could try some tests to look at best things to delay the TIW On surface ships, I saw that launching a passive torp slower than original speed will give you a very high probability to hit the target => - passive seeker have wide range - TIW is delayed for the engaged target (especially usefull with warships ...) and it will react too late to avoid the torps. You just have to avoid collateral damage (guiding torps), as the seeker in passive is really attracted by the louder sounds. And without guided torps, to open the seeker at the right moment (close to the target). Passive generally (not all ....) need to slow down but on MP sub vs sub fight, you never use passive, but you can slow your torps down to let them give a thinner track on the ennemy sonar .... and to delay the TIWS (if you are at long range from him)

08-11-05, 11:08 AM	#24
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	We are talking sub v sub TIWs ? OKO wrote :- 'Well ... sending a slower torp will delay the TIW for your target.' How ? If its not speed or range related. OKO wrote :- 'You could try some tests to look at best things to delay the TIW' Not in MP, for me and SP AI responses very variable. OKO wrote :- 'but on MP sub vs sub fight, you never use passive' MP players used them to great effect in sub v sub with 1.8 - I think I read they have toned down their 'sensitivity' in DW. It seems to me that baffled areas have no effect on TIWs as you still get them from torp launch bearings which should be baffled. :hmm: