Ok, thats it, gonna delete SHIII from my computer !!! - Page 2

Alyebard · 08-03-05, 06:18 AM

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Deutschland uber alles (version 1933-1945)

There is no "Nazi Germany" version of the German anthem, the forbidden "Deutschland Ã¼ber alles" part is much older.

I beleived that german anthem dated back XVIII century, but during nazi era the lyrics were changed, maybe i was brong.

Duncan Idaho · 08-03-05, 06:21 AM

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Is there something wrong with me?

Yup, yup. You need serious therapy. Or a few beers. I can't quite figure out which...

Gizzmoe · 08-03-05, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Alyebard

I beleived that german anthem dated back XVIII century, but during nazi era the lyrics were changed, maybe i was brong.

The melody is from the 18th century, the text from the middle of the 19th. The Nazis never changed the lyrics.

Alyebard · 08-03-05, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

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Originally Posted by Alyebard

I beleived that german anthem dated back XVIII century, but during nazi era the lyrics were changed, maybe i was brong.

The melody is from the 18th century, the text from the middle of the 19th. The Nazis never changed the lyrics.

Thanks !

Type941 · 08-03-05, 06:26 AM

I'm very used to the german anthem and hearing it for the first time in port, i didn't really connect the dots... And than it hit me!

see, I'm a Formula1 fan, and anyone following that for the last 10 years would have heard the german anthem courtesy of Herr Schumacher pretty regularly. :rotfl:

Shadow9216 · 08-03-05, 07:24 AM

I think you can change the music by saving a new file as "fanfare01.wav" or whatever. Might be interesting to see what people would choose.

Dobby-the-House-Elf · 08-03-05, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

The melody is from the 18th century, the text from the middle of the 19th. The Nazis never changed the lyrics.

Sorry, not quite true. The original tune was composed by Joseph Haydn in 1797. But it was then not the German, but the Austria-Hungarian national anthem ("Gott erhalt uns Franz den Kaiser" translated "may God sustain our emperor Franz"). It stayed so until 1918 when the Austrian-Hungarian empire came to an end.

Only after this the anthem was adapted by Germany and the lyrics changed to "Deutschland Ã¼ber alles".

Btw. the lyrics of the german version remain unchanged to this very day, there was nothing changed to it by the nazis. Only the third verse is illegal today as this particular verse describes the extension of the (former) german borders, including areas that belong to France and Poland today (hence the ban), but again these were the effective borders prior to ww2 and way older than the nazi movement.

Cheers
Dobby

dize · 08-03-05, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Alyebard

I beleived that german anthem dated back XVIII century, but during nazi era the lyrics were changed, maybe i was brong.

The melody is from the 18th century, the text from the middle of the 19th. The Nazis never changed the lyrics.

the "deutschlandlied" has three strophes(?!?), and the now tainted, "nazi strophe" is the first one. the original meaning of "deutschland uber alles" is not refering to waging a war, and dwarfing all other people around us. it refered to a united germany, under one flag. the germany as we know it, was formed out of many regional smaller states, principalities and so on. this is the original aim of the appeal germany uber alles. kind of a germany first thing.

Gizzmoe · 08-03-05, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dobby-the-House-Elf

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Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

The melody is from the 18th century, the text from the middle of the 19th. The Nazis never changed the lyrics.

Sorry, not quite true. The original tune was composed by Joseph Haydn in 1797. But it was then not the German, but the Austria-Hungarian national anthem ("Gott erhalt uns Franz den Kaiser" translated "may God sustain our emperor Franz"). It stayed so until 1918 when the Austrian-Hungarian empire came to an end.

Only after this the anthem was adapted by Germany and the lyrics changed to "Deutschland Ã¼ber alles".

Yes, it became the German anthem after WW1, but von Fallersleben wrote the original text (three verses), including the "Deutschland Ã¼ber alles" part in 1841.

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Only the third verse is illegal today

The first verse is illegal, the third verse is the official German anthem.

Dobby-the-House-Elf · 08-03-05, 08:06 AM

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The first verse is illegal, the third verse is the official German anthem.

Yes, I stand corrected

StdDev · 08-03-05, 08:36 AM

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I'm researching a story about Erich Hartmann, the number one air ace in history, at work lately. I was JUST noticing yesterday that, without fail, every time I am reading about anything German I hear "Deutschland Uber Alles" in my head, plain as day.

Is there something wrong with me?

Absolutely!!
arnt ya glad to know that you are not alone!

Stealth Elephant · 08-03-05, 08:54 AM

Yesterday morning as I was going through my routine (shower, brushing of the teeth, etc.) I was whistling/humming it vaguely, and then it hit me. I can completely identify with the maker of this thread.

I'd be kind of worried if my roommate heard me, but then I'm fairly certain he would not recognize the tune!

Kafka · 08-03-05, 08:59 AM

Aye mates, for one, I've been singing and whistling It's a long way to Tipperary for the last two weeks.... serious mental condition

albatross · 08-03-05, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Type941

I'm very used to the german anthem and hearing it for the first time in port, i didn't really connect the dots... And than it hit me!

see, I'm a Formula1 fan, and anyone following that for the last 10 years would have heard the german anthem courtesy of Herr Schumacher pretty regularly. :rotfl:

Same here and I always sing "Deutschland Deutschland uber alles..." along with the anthem for the podium ceremony

Mind you I've enjoyed humming the French album this season - makes a pleasant change

BTW, I think the in game version sounds terrible - I always remain below decks until they're out of earshot.

Stymnus · 08-03-05, 09:20 AM

Yeah, I've downloaded a lot of available files from the download section here, and converted most of them to .ogg files.

Of course a lot of them get stuck in my head now...particularly some of the most nazi-ish. I should be very disturbed...

I think it's just because they are catchy tunes. They were meant to be -- they were propaganda.

08-03-05, 06:26 AM	#20
Type941 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: U-52 Posts: 1,270 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I'm very used to the german anthem and hearing it for the first time in port, i didn't really connect the dots... And than it hit me! see, I'm a Formula1 fan, and anyone following that for the last 10 years would have heard the german anthem courtesy of Herr Schumacher pretty regularly. :rotfl: __________________ Sink the Bismarck SH3 Movie

08-03-05, 09:20 AM	#30
Stymnus A-ganger Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Wilton, NH Posts: 72 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That durned grammophone Yeah, I've downloaded a lot of available files from the download section here, and converted most of them to .ogg files. Of course a lot of them get stuck in my head now...particularly some of the most nazi-ish. I should be very disturbed... I think it's just because they are catchy tunes. They were meant to be -- they were propaganda.

08-03-05, 07:24 AM	#21
Shadow9216 Frogman Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 296 Downloads: 91 Uploads: 0	I think you can change the music by saving a new file as "fanfare01.wav" or whatever. Might be interesting to see what people would choose.

08-03-05, 08:54 AM	#27
Stealth Elephant Seaman Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Leesburg, Virginia Posts: 33 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yesterday morning as I was going through my routine (shower, brushing of the teeth, etc.) I was whistling/humming it vaguely, and then it hit me. I can completely identify with the maker of this thread. I'd be kind of worried if my roommate heard me, but then I'm fairly certain he would not recognize the tune!

08-03-05, 08:59 AM	#28
Kafka Sailor man Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Savannah USA Posts: 49 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Aye mates, for one, I've been singing and whistling It's a long way to Tipperary for the last two weeks.... serious mental condition