A major war is boiling in Central Africa - Page 2

Otto Harkaman · 08-11-23, 04:04 AM

Good Al Jazeera "Inside Story" video and podcast in article page
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...remain-defiant

ECOWAS leaders say all options open in Niger, including ‘use of force’
West African bloc activates standby force for possible Niger intervention, says it wants a peaceful restoration of democracy.

The remarks came as the 15-member Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) met in Nigeria’s Abuja on Thursday for an emergency summit to discuss responses to last month’s military takeover in Niger, after the coup leaders defied their earlier threat to use force to restore democracy.

The President of Nigeria Bola Ahmed Tinubu, centre, and leaders of ECOWAS meet to discuss the political situation in Niger, in Abuja, Nigeria [EPA]

Otto Harkaman · 08-11-23, 04:16 AM

This whole thing makes me think of the French TV series "A Very Secret Service"

Exocet25fr · 08-11-23, 05:31 AM

Very funny, I don't know this TV serie....

Jimbuna · 08-11-23, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

Good Al Jazeera "Inside Story" video and podcast in article page
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...remain-defiant

ECOWAS leaders say all options open in Niger, including ‘use of force’
West African bloc activates standby force for possible Niger intervention, says it wants a peaceful restoration of democracy.

The remarks came as the 15-member Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) met in Nigeria’s Abuja on Thursday for an emergency summit to discuss responses to last month’s military takeover in Niger, after the coup leaders defied their earlier threat to use force to restore democracy.

The President of Nigeria Bola Ahmed Tinubu, centre, and leaders of ECOWAS meet to discuss the political situation in Niger, in Abuja, Nigeria [EPA]

This could all get messy very quickly.

Otto Harkaman · 08-11-23, 05:08 PM

3212 unredacted the "Tongo Tongo ambush"

The Tongo Tongo ambush or the Niger ambush occurred on 4 October 2017, when armed militants from the Islamic State in the Greater Sahara (ISGS) attacked Nigerien and US soldiers outside the village of Tongo Tongo, Niger, while they were returning to base after a stop in the village.[20] During the ambush, four Nigeriens, four US soldiers, and at least 21 ISGS militants were killed, and eight Nigeriens and two US soldiers including the team commander were wounded. In the day preceding the ambush, the Nigerien and US soldiers conducted a mission attempting to locate and capture or kill Doundou Chefou, a commander in the ISGS.[21]

The ambush sparked political debate over the presence of US forces in Africa and brought attention to previously under-reported US military activities in the region.[22] The ambush also prompted congressional inquiries, and an investigation by the US Department of Defense (DoD).[23] The DoD inquiry, completed in 2018, found that the 11-member US special forces team was not prepared for the mission, and identified other flaws in planning.[20]

The ambush remains the largest loss of American lives in combat in Africa since the Battle of Mogadishu in 1993.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongo_Tongo_ambush

mapuc · 08-11-23, 05:21 PM

It's TASS I can therefore not say how reliable it is

Quote:

"The obvious risks posed by the crisis around Niger are visible in real time and may manifest themselves before long, because the international community hiding under the cover of ECOWAS has considerable leverage that can certainly threaten the stability of Niger and of the entire region.

https://tass.com/world/1659417

Then I read this article

Quote:

ECOWAS military intervention was doubtful after Nigeria’s Senate on Saturday rejected sending troops. Nigeria has the largest army in the region and a better equipped air force, but there was little appetite among the country’s politicians to engage in war with their neighbor. ECOWAS has scheduled another emergency meeting for this Thursday.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/08/09...ria-intervene/

Markus

Jimbuna · 08-12-23, 03:19 AM

This is precisely the sort of garbage you'd expect from the Hindustan Times, the same Hindustan Times so often cited by a certain individual in the Ukraine thread.

mapuc · 08-12-23, 07:42 AM

Markus

Jimbuna · 08-12-23, 10:41 AM

Not long now perhaps

Otto Harkaman · 08-12-23, 10:53 AM

I think its just posturing, these countries don't have the logistics to mount a large attack on another country.

Their military are mainly to keep their populations inline and maybe some counterinsurgency.
https://www.sbmintel.com/wp-content/...-1280x1536.jpg
(couldn't load image need to view as link)
#Daily Chart: Military strength of Niger and its allies vs. the rest of ECOWAS
https://twentytendaily.com/daily-cha...est-of-ecowas/

What the French, Russian, Chinese and Americans are up to is a whole other thing.

Jimbuna · 08-12-23, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

I think its just posturing, these countries don't have the logistics to mount a large attack on another country.

Their military are mainly to keep their populations inline and maybe some counterinsurgency.

https://www.sbmintel.com/wp-content/...-1280x1536.jpg
(couldn't load image need to view as link)

#Daily Chart: Military strength of Niger and its allies vs. the rest of ECOWAS
https://twentytendaily.com/daily-cha...est-of-ecowas/

Fair point but still numbers enough to kill a lot of people.

Otto Harkaman · 08-12-23, 11:32 AM

Task force Sabre

Operation Takuba

Sahel

Wagner

Otto Harkaman · 08-12-23, 12:02 PM

My quick off the cuff assessment, ECOWAS doesn't matter. The main problem seems to be Anti-French colonialism, which the Russians are exploiting (encouraging?), the continue rise of Islamic insurgency and always local warlords(bandits).

Otto Harkaman · 08-12-23, 01:00 PM

Well there you go...

Quote:

West African bloc scraps crisis meeting on Niger coup

As ECOWAS leaders fail to meet.

An emergency meeting between Wester African nations on the coup in Niger has been postponed indefinitely as concerns over the health of detained President Mohammed Bazoum increase.

Members of the Economic Cooperation of West African Nations (ECOWAS) were due to meet in the Ghanaian capital Accra on Saturday to discuss how to tackle the Niger crisis after they approved the deployment of a stand-by force to restore constitutional order.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...-on-niger-coup

Catfish · 08-12-23, 02:22 PM

Must be hard for french nationalists to praise Russia and french colonies, and then still support Wagner/Russia taking them away from France

08-11-23, 04:04 AM	#16
Otto Harkaman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 1,184 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Good Al Jazeera "Inside Story" video and podcast in article page https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...remain-defiant ECOWAS leaders say all options open in Niger, including ‘use of force’ West African bloc activates standby force for possible Niger intervention, says it wants a peaceful restoration of democracy. The remarks came as the 15-member Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) met in Nigeria’s Abuja on Thursday for an emergency summit to discuss responses to last month’s military takeover in Niger, after the coup leaders defied their earlier threat to use force to restore democracy. The President of Nigeria Bola Ahmed Tinubu, centre, and leaders of ECOWAS meet to discuss the political situation in Niger, in Abuja, Nigeria [EPA] __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm

08-11-23, 04:16 AM	#17
Otto Harkaman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 1,184 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	This whole thing makes me think of the French TV series "A Very Secret Service" __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm

08-11-23, 05:31 AM	#18
Exocet25fr Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Paris/France Posts: 1,135 Downloads: 255 Uploads: 0	Very funny, I don't know this TV serie.... __________________ \"Le Triomphant\" listens you !

08-11-23, 05:08 PM	#20
Otto Harkaman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 1,184 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	3212 unredacted the "Tongo Tongo ambush" The Tongo Tongo ambush or the Niger ambush occurred on 4 October 2017, when armed militants from the Islamic State in the Greater Sahara (ISGS) attacked Nigerien and US soldiers outside the village of Tongo Tongo, Niger, while they were returning to base after a stop in the village.[20] During the ambush, four Nigeriens, four US soldiers, and at least 21 ISGS militants were killed, and eight Nigeriens and two US soldiers including the team commander were wounded. In the day preceding the ambush, the Nigerien and US soldiers conducted a mission attempting to locate and capture or kill Doundou Chefou, a commander in the ISGS.[21] The ambush sparked political debate over the presence of US forces in Africa and brought attention to previously under-reported US military activities in the region.[22] The ambush also prompted congressional inquiries, and an investigation by the US Department of Defense (DoD).[23] The DoD inquiry, completed in 2018, found that the 11-member US special forces team was not prepared for the mission, and identified other flaws in planning.[20] The ambush remains the largest loss of American lives in combat in Africa since the Battle of Mogadishu in 1993.[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongo_Tongo_ambush __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm Last edited by Otto Harkaman; 08-11-23 at 05:25 PM.

08-12-23, 03:19 AM	#22
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,742 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	This is precisely the sort of garbage you'd expect from the Hindustan Times, the same Hindustan Times so often cited by a certain individual in the Ukraine thread. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-12-23, 07:42 AM	#23
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,543 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

08-12-23, 10:41 AM	#24
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,742 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Not long now perhaps __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-12-23, 10:53 AM	#25
Otto Harkaman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 1,184 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	I think its just posturing, these countries don't have the logistics to mount a large attack on another country. Their military are mainly to keep their populations inline and maybe some counterinsurgency. https://www.sbmintel.com/wp-content/...-1280x1536.jpg (couldn't load image need to view as link) #Daily Chart: Military strength of Niger and its allies vs. the rest of ECOWAS https://twentytendaily.com/daily-cha...est-of-ecowas/ What the French, Russian, Chinese and Americans are up to is a whole other thing. __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm Last edited by Otto Harkaman; 08-12-23 at 11:01 AM.

08-12-23, 11:32 AM	#27
Otto Harkaman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 1,184 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Task force Sabre Operation Takuba Sahel Wagner __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm Last edited by Otto Harkaman; 08-12-23 at 11:59 AM.

08-12-23, 12:02 PM	#28
Otto Harkaman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 1,184 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	My quick off the cuff assessment, ECOWAS doesn't matter. The main problem seems to be Anti-French colonialism, which the Russians are exploiting (encouraging?), the continue rise of Islamic insurgency and always local warlords(bandits). __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm Last edited by Otto Harkaman; 08-12-23 at 05:26 PM.

08-12-23, 02:22 PM	#30
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,794 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Must be hard for french nationalists to praise Russia and french colonies, and then still support Wagner/Russia taking them away from France __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.