Finland Politics thread

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Would be hard for a Brit to comment when you take into consideration the clown we have as leader.

Do not forget the one before Boris, your truly dancing queen

[Jimbuna]

I admired her initially, until she proved to be weak and give in repeatedly at the behest of the EU

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I admired her initially, until she proved to be weak and give in repeatedly at the behest of the EU

What did she give in that Boris did not the UK wanted out so new relations needed to be agreed on do not think Boris could have done it different. And blaming the EU is an oxymoron the UK did not want to play along, so face the facts that you need to do it all alone not that you can expect favors from the EU if you do not want them.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Dargo

What did she give in that Boris did not the UK wanted out so new relations needed to be agreed on do not think Boris could have done it different. And blaming the EU is an oxymoron the UK did not want to play along, so face the facts that you need to do it all alone not that you can expect favors from the EU if you do not want them.

My response whas centered solely on your 'dancing queen' remark and I have not claimed or blamed anything on the EU nor have I said I expect anything from anyone.

If you want to continue this debate and venture out of the Ukraine thread where almost 90% of your posts are I'd suggest you go into the UK politics thread.

Subsim forum is far more diverse than the one regarding Ukraine.

[Dargo]

“Solidarity with Sanna”

Women in Finland are posting videos of themselves partying while tagging Prime Minister Sanna Marin. https://twitter.com/meghamohan/statu...99055769030656

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I will add.
Even though The Russian shouldn't be behind this spread of this video-They are rubbing their hands-It couldn't have happened in a better time.

In the news here they said this video will perhaps change the Finnish foreign politics

Markus

What Finnish foreign policy? If you ask me they’re pretty predictable, they bend which ever way the wind blows. It’s all a party

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Dargo

“Solidarity with Sanna”

Women in Finland are posting videos of themselves partying while tagging Prime Minister Sanna Marin. https://twitter.com/meghamohan/statu...99055769030656

Too bad Europeans don't dance like they sunbathe.

[Rockstar]

Oooo la la Finnish Prime Minister Hoochie Mama and some soft lesbo action.

[Buddahaid]

Almost like a normal person. Discusting......but just a peek to be certain it really is disgusting......

Where do I direct my outrage? Is there an app?

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

So what you’re saying the person doing the filming was a Russian spy? That must be one helluva good spy to get that close to Prime Minister hoochie mama’s inner circle.

I heard from my connection ‘an anonymous top official’ she grabbed a handful of Deeznuts too.

Yep, It's always those Russians

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Dargo

“Solidarity with Sanna”

Women in Finland are posting videos of themselves partying while tagging Prime Minister Sanna Marin. https://twitter.com/meghamohan/statu...99055769030656

They're Danish from what I've read.


Again, I can't stress enough how much of a non-issue this is in Finland. It's been blown out of proportions.

[Moonlight]

Originally Posted by Gorpet

Yep, It's always those Russians

I always thought that when it came down to spies n things those pesky yankee bluebellies were at the top of the tree, you'd be hard pressed to name a country that they haven't spied on.

U.S. spied on Merkel and other Europeans through Danish cables - broadcaster DR

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...sh-2021-05-30/

As for the Finnish Prime Minister, I really don't see a problem with this dancing video of her, I'm only giving her 5\10 though as she didn't whip her bra and knickers off and twirl them above her head, now that would've really have got those stuffed shirt types spluttering into their cornflakes.

If the news media are trying to make something out of this then you can guarantee that it's a non story from beginning to end.

[Rockstar]

Finland asks: Does a prime minister have a right to party?
By KOSTYA MANENKOV and KARL RITTER

https://apnews.com/article/nato-covi...cd2376335a29c4

HELSINKI (AP) — In a leaked video, Finland’s Prime Minister Sanna Marin is seen dancing and singing with friends at a private party. The 36-year-old leader poses for the camera. She sits on her knees, hands behind her head. She’s entangled in a group hug. She’s having a good time.

Countless similar videos are shared daily on social media by young and not-so-young people partying in Finland and all over the world. But the leak has triggered a debate among Finns about what level of reveling is appropriate for a prime minister, especially considering neighboring Russia’s attack on Ukraine, which prompted long-neutral Finland and Sweden to apply for NATO membership.

Marin, who leads the center-left Social Democratic Party, has faced a barrage of questions about the party: Were there drugs? Alcohol? Was she working or on summer vacation? Was the prime minister sober enough to handle an emergency had one arisen?

The video, clearly shot by someone at the party, was leaked on social media and caught the attention of Finnish media this week. Marin said she attended the party in recent weeks, but refused to say exactly where and when.

She also acknowledged that she and her friends celebrated in a “boisterous way” and that alcohol — but, to her knowledge, no drugs — was involved. She said Friday that she took a drug test to put an end to speculation about illegal substances.

[Skybird]

FOCUS hits the Bull's Eye:


The photo of Sanna Marin in cut-off blue jeans, white T-shirt and the now cult black leather jacket from a rock festival in Finland went around the world. The headlines turned out in her favor - proclaiming her the "coolest head of government in the world." The Finns were proud of their prime minister, who was popular all over the world.

It was not an unwanted photo, not a paparazzo picture, shot from a bush. No photographer needed to ambush Marin, she looks confidently into the camera, the picture was: image PR. Which certainly can't be said of the video that subsequently put the Finn in the headlines in a negative light.

Marin lasciviously dancing at a private party. This video also went around the world, but now no one wrote that she was the coolest head of government in the world. Now people were asking: is she allowed to do that?

First: the photo was published against Marin's will, no doubt a mess. Marin now definitely knows who of the people around her is NOT her boyfriend. However, this video was not shot against Marin's will, you can see it clearly - she is flirting with the camera, and that: because she likes it. Today she knows it was a flirtation with a traitor.

Marin now knows even more: it was a mistake. Her mistake. "These are private pictures that were not meant for the public," Marin commented on the video to the Iltalehti newspaper. "I am sad that they have been published." She had trusted that they would not be leaked. But, "I have nothing to hide and I have done nothing illegal."

What exactly was Marin's mistake? Every head of government is entitled to privacy, even though he or she is basically on duty 24 hours a day. Still, no head of government has to abstain from alcohol; neither did Angela Merkel, who likes to drink red wine. The Finnish conservatives would have done better to save their puritanically interwoven accusations - they are hypocritical.

The accusation that Finland's social democratic prime minister has made herself open to blackmail on behalf of the Russians is also bordering on stupidity. You can't blackmail anyone with a video that the whole world has seen. Marin would only have made herself blackmailable if this video had ended up unpublished on dark paths, as a "compromat", in the hands of the Russian secret service. The latter could have threatened Marin with publication in the event that it led Finland into NATO. But that is not what happened.

What exactly is Marin's mistake? Marin's mistake is that she put herself in the spotlight. She had to publicly declare that she did not take drugs, and she was not spared a drug test. And it wasn't the opposition that demanded it - something that would have been expected - but Marin's own coalition partner. An embarrassment that Marin could have spared herself had she not been so trusting.

One can certainly lament it, but the fact is that in politics everything private is political. Politicians are public people; they produce images almost constantly that end up in the public domain - even against their will and to their sometimes drastic detriment. Think of the images of CDU chancellor candidate Armin Laschet laughing during the flood disaster on the Ahr River.

Yes, a politician is allowed to dance. And celebrate. And drink alcohol, too. But she has to know that she produces images of herself that she can't get rid of. That's the downside of vanity media like Instagram: Impending loss of control, as a result of a misjudgment.

Anyone who surfs such public hype as Sanna Marin can easily fall into the belief that she can get away with just about anything. That is the vanity trap. If you fall into it, mistakes like this happen.

For many young people, not only in her country, Sanna Marin has become a role model - an example that governing can also be cool. But it has also become clear once again where the limits lie.
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So apparently a private contact who abused Marin's trust. But as the saying goes: trust is nice - control is better.

Top assume it were a Russian plot to make her vulnerable for blackmailing, indeed is a stupid theory. If the Russians "convinced" somebody to release the video, then it was not for that purpose, but to stir up and distract Finish inner politics and so add to destablizing efforts that they aim at practially every Western nation, principally and since decades.

[Jimbuna]

She'll never be as sexy looking as our Maggie was