Video emerges of Minneapolis police killing a citizen - - Riots - Page 2

Commander Wallace · 06-10-20, 07:52 AM

I was working on something with the television on and caught an interview with various Police chiefs and authorities around the U.S on I believe, CNN. It seems the 4 officers indicted in the murder of George Floyd are not presenting a united front. Quite the contrary, Former officers Kiernan Lane, Alexander Kueng have placed the blame on Derek Chauvin while Tou Thao has been cooperating with authorities before he was indicted. I seriously doubt this will help as with video evidence, they hardly need the cooperation of the other 3.

Apparently, the other 3 and their attorney's feel it's in their best interest to throw " Chauvin under the bus. " The attorney's for Kiernan Lane, Alexander Kueng have said their clients were rookies and deferred to Chauvin, their training officer. I don't blame defense attorneys from grasping at straws but i think they will find, " that dog won't hunt. " regarding this argument. Apparently these officers and their attorney's don't understand that the standard of what any reasonable officer would do in their place. It hardly takes 4 men to hold down an already restrained man and their arguments in court will have a very uphill battle.

The Police Chiefs all said in unison if officers don't know right from wrong, they shouldn't be police officers. Chauvin is all of 150lbs and 5'10. If the other officers involved are that much of a coward to be afraid of Chauvin, what might they do against more physically imposing people ?

https://abcnews.go.com/US/officers-c...ry?id=71066710

In Minneapolis, efforts are underway to abolish the police force there and to do something about it's union as well. The idea is to move them in social work. I think this is one of the most stupid ideas I have ever heard of. Efforts are underway in other parts of the country to defund police agencies as well. Gun shops owners report people are buying firearms in such numbers as there are shortages in various models.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/05...ce-department/

I thought this might be as good a time as any to ask our Subsim members what ideas they might have of any reorganization. This would include our members from other countries and to see what works in their respective countries. I will list some possibilities.

1) an oversight board would have to be put into places around the country where people's legitimate complaints are heard. Obviously, the police can't be trusted to do their own investigations as the complaints against Chavin before the death of Floyd, has shown. These boards would need to at the local and regional levels. If People's civil rights have been violated, refer the evidence over to the federal Govt. for prosecution. There would also have to be oversight of the boards themselves with the appropriate checks and balances for obvious reasons.

2) Video camera's worn by the police or in their cars would have to run continuously. Any efforts to disable them by officers would automatically result in criminal charges being filed . Further, make it a crime for officers to take recording devices from citizens or to order them to turn them off. It makes good sense for anyone with recording devices in their cars, phones, etc to have the recorded videos uploaded to a cloud server so any officer seizing a recording device can't erase or destroy film footage.

3) Scotus would have to revoke privileges enjoyed by officers and public officials regarding immunity from their criminal actions. This decision is criminal in itself and needs to be removed, post haste. This would include allowing police to seize money from it's citizens under the asset forfeiture law. It's essentially a license for police officers to steal your money and or property without anything in the way of due process. It's also behind the " policing for profit " tactics officers utilize now.

4) Initiate websites and federal and local registries of those officers with criminal complaints against them. This would have to include impartial investigation NOT to be done by their respective departments of internal affairs units.

5) demilitarize police forces, banning surplus military equipment transfers to police forces on a local level as they can't be trusted to use them. If special situations arise, units like SWAT can then be utilized with the proper training in the use of tactics and specialized military grade weapons.

6) Scrutiny as to the soundness of using former military members as police officers. This would also include an enhanced battery of mental fitness tests for anyone aspiring to the police academy. Police officers from a military background tend to view their own citizens as the enemy and the public by and large feel the same way about their respective police forces. It won't end well for the police forces if this practice continues.

7) Colleges and trade schools tuition's need to brought under control as well. Their rising tuition rates far outpace inflation. This would give intelligent and well motivated young people a fighting chance to better their lives through education. Our country's survival literally depends on an educated work force and it's just the right thing to do.

Benjamin Carson is a black man. He was also a brilliant Pediatric Neurosurgeon at John's Hopkins and did the first successful Siamese twins separation. Patrick and Benjamin Binder were conjoined twins, joined at the head, born in Germany in early 1987, and separated at Johns Hopkins Hospital on September 7, 1987. Think of how many lives Benjamin Carson has saved and what might have happened if Benjamin had not been able to overcome everything to be the great Physician that he is.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/ben-c...y-30-years-ago

Mr Quatro · 06-10-20, 08:23 AM

Your asking us (subsim) for advice?

Simple adjustment Commander Wallace is to give the police more money to weed out the bad cops with better training and more counseling.

The mayor needs to tell the police who to protect ... What are your priorities?

Big business or small business or the public?

More visiable protection day and night.

That man had the cops called on him for passing a phony $20 bill ... give me a break. Didn't they have security camera's ... call the ATF or the Treasury Department

Commander Wallace · 06-10-20, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Your asking us (subsim) for advice?

Simple adjustment Commander Wallace is to give the police more money to weed out the bad cops with better training and more counseling.

The mayor needs to tell the police who to protect ... What are your priorities?

Big business or small business or the public?

More visiable protection day and night.

That man had the cops called on him for passing a phony $20 bill ... give me a break. Didn't they have security camera's ... call the ATF or the Treasury Department

I'm asking for intelligent opinions, not advice.

Why not Subsim ? There are some pretty sharp people here.

In fact, Did George Floyd know that the alleged Bill was a forgery ? Where did this alleged forged bill go, anyway ? When was the last time you got change and looked to see if your change contained a forged or counterfeit bill ? We all could have unknowingly passed a counterfeit bill. As you said, if the bill was in fact phony, arrest and charge Floyd and allow him dues process to face charges. The state or federal government has the burden of proof in criminal cases

Onkel Neal · 06-10-20, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I'm asking for intelligent opinions, not advice.

Why not Subsim ? There are some pretty sharp people here.

In fact, Did George Floyd know that the alleged Bill was a forgery ? Where did this alleged forged bill go, anyway ? When was the last time you got change and looked to see if your change contained a forged or counterfeit bill ? We all could have unknowingly passed a counterfeit bill. As you said, if the bill was in fact phony, arrest and charge Floyd and allow him dues process to face charges. The state or federal government has the burden of proof in criminal cases

Very good point. Most people who passed counterfeit currency are not aware of it, it's passed through circulation.

Mr Quatro · 06-10-20, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Your asking us (subsim) for advice?

Simple adjustment Commander Wallace is to give the police more money to weed out the bad cops with better training and more counseling.

The mayor needs to tell the police who to protect ... What are your priorities?

Big business or small business or the public?

More visiable protection day and night.

That man had the cops called on him for passing a phony $20 bill ... give me a break. Didn't they have security camera's ... call the ATF or the Treasury Department

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I'm asking for intelligent opinions, not advice.

Why not Subsim ? There are some pretty sharp people here.

In fact, Did George Floyd know that the alleged Bill was a forgery ? Where did this alleged forged bill go, anyway ? When was the last time you got change and looked to see if your change contained a forged or counterfeit bill ? We all could have unknowingly passed a counterfeit bill. As you said, if the bill was in fact phony, arrest and charge Floyd and allow him dues process to face charges. The state or federal government has the burden of proof in criminal cases

So your saying that I'm not sharp

I thought my advice did offer intelligent options ... weed out the bad apples don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

This man George Floyd and the policeman (forgot his name) that put his knee on him worked together as security officer's at a nightclub, right? As I think August said perhaps they were involved in something like drug dealing together at that time. It will all come out at the trial for sure, but the black lives matter won't accept anything negative about Floyd he's a saint now.

The trial won't take place before the election anyway that's for sure ... Did you hear the BLM people? "Let's keep this thing going"

All's well with you and I Commander I've been disrespected before

Gerald · 08-23-20, 11:40 PM

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Portland police said in a statement on Sunday they arrested 14 people overnight and that crowd control munitions were used to disperse protesters.

https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/...la-idOVCSH6C8B

Police said they declared a riot just before midnight on Saturday after a group of about 250 people, many of them wearing black and carrying shields, helmets and gas masks, tried to march on a government building that has often been the scene of violence during nearly three months of nightly protests.

Jimbuna · 08-24-20, 04:39 AM

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Jimbuna · 08-24-20, 04:53 AM

Kenosha shooting: Protests erupt after US police shoot black man

Protests have erupted in the US state of Wisconsin after police shot a black man several times while responding to what they said was a domestic incident.

The man, identified as Jacob Blake, is in a serious condition in hospital.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53886070

Catfish · 08-24-20, 04:48 PM

Video shows Blake being grabbed by his shirt from behind, then the cop shooting Blake in the back at least 7 times.
"Justified"? impossible to imagine any way that his shooting was justified.

"Anyone following the news for the past six months, and the past six years, has seen a numbing succession of these stories: An unarmed black person, usually a man or boy, is shot by police. There’s a good chance he has his back turned when multiple shots are fired. The incident is caught on video. There are demonstrations demanding reforms. Then some days or weeks later, in another city, the whole thing plays out again."

And they call demonstrations against such police action "anarchy"? This is clear racism. Time to wake up for all, what the hell is wrong over there?

mapuc · 08-24-20, 05:32 PM

I see it as a domestic problem and it shall be solved
by the Americans them self.

Markus

Onkel Neal · 08-25-20, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

Video shows Blake being grabbed by his shirt from behind, then the cop shooting Blake in the back at least 7 times.
"Justified"? impossible to imagine any way that his shooting was justified.

"Anyone following the news for the past six months, and the past six years, has seen a numbing succession of these stories: An unarmed black person, usually a man or boy, is shot by police. There’s a good chance he has his back turned when multiple shots are fired. The incident is caught on video. There are demonstrations demanding reforms. Then some days or weeks later, in another city, the whole thing plays out again."

And they call demonstrations against such police action "anarchy"? This is clear racism. Time to wake up for all, what the hell is wrong over there?

Clearly you don't understand how this works. When the police are called to a domestic disturbance and they cannot get the suspect to cooperate, when the suspect ignores their orders, and lunges into his car like this idiot did, the officers' degree of risk goes off the scale. He has every right to shoot the guy. What if he just watched and the guy pulled a pistol out from his front seat and started shooting the officer? Then the officer can respond?

Do you need me to post some examples of times when a cop hesitated and then was shot?

Yeah, time for some more peaceful protests, board up the Apple store and sneaker shops.

06-10-20, 07:52 AM	#1
Commander Wallace Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Under the sea in an Octupus garden in the shade Posts: 5,318 Downloads: 366 Uploads: 0	I was working on something with the television on and caught an interview with various Police chiefs and authorities around the U.S on I believe, CNN. It seems the 4 officers indicted in the murder of George Floyd are not presenting a united front. Quite the contrary, Former officers Kiernan Lane, Alexander Kueng have placed the blame on Derek Chauvin while Tou Thao has been cooperating with authorities before he was indicted. I seriously doubt this will help as with video evidence, they hardly need the cooperation of the other 3. Apparently, the other 3 and their attorney's feel it's in their best interest to throw " Chauvin under the bus. " The attorney's for Kiernan Lane, Alexander Kueng have said their clients were rookies and deferred to Chauvin, their training officer. I don't blame defense attorneys from grasping at straws but i think they will find, " that dog won't hunt. " regarding this argument. Apparently these officers and their attorney's don't understand that the standard of what any reasonable officer would do in their place. It hardly takes 4 men to hold down an already restrained man and their arguments in court will have a very uphill battle. The Police Chiefs all said in unison if officers don't know right from wrong, they shouldn't be police officers. Chauvin is all of 150lbs and 5'10. If the other officers involved are that much of a coward to be afraid of Chauvin, what might they do against more physically imposing people ? https://abcnews.go.com/US/officers-c...ry?id=71066710 In Minneapolis, efforts are underway to abolish the police force there and to do something about it's union as well. The idea is to move them in social work. I think this is one of the most stupid ideas I have ever heard of. Efforts are underway in other parts of the country to defund police agencies as well. Gun shops owners report people are buying firearms in such numbers as there are shortages in various models. https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/05...ce-department/ I thought this might be as good a time as any to ask our Subsim members what ideas they might have of any reorganization. This would include our members from other countries and to see what works in their respective countries. I will list some possibilities. 1) an oversight board would have to be put into places around the country where people's legitimate complaints are heard. Obviously, the police can't be trusted to do their own investigations as the complaints against Chavin before the death of Floyd, has shown. These boards would need to at the local and regional levels. If People's civil rights have been violated, refer the evidence over to the federal Govt. for prosecution. There would also have to be oversight of the boards themselves with the appropriate checks and balances for obvious reasons. 2) Video camera's worn by the police or in their cars would have to run continuously. Any efforts to disable them by officers would automatically result in criminal charges being filed . Further, make it a crime for officers to take recording devices from citizens or to order them to turn them off. It makes good sense for anyone with recording devices in their cars, phones, etc to have the recorded videos uploaded to a cloud server so any officer seizing a recording device can't erase or destroy film footage. 3) Scotus would have to revoke privileges enjoyed by officers and public officials regarding immunity from their criminal actions. This decision is criminal in itself and needs to be removed, post haste. This would include allowing police to seize money from it's citizens under the asset forfeiture law. It's essentially a license for police officers to steal your money and or property without anything in the way of due process. It's also behind the " policing for profit " tactics officers utilize now. 4) Initiate websites and federal and local registries of those officers with criminal complaints against them. This would have to include impartial investigation NOT to be done by their respective departments of internal affairs units. 5) demilitarize police forces, banning surplus military equipment transfers to police forces on a local level as they can't be trusted to use them. If special situations arise, units like SWAT can then be utilized with the proper training in the use of tactics and specialized military grade weapons. 6) Scrutiny as to the soundness of using former military members as police officers. This would also include an enhanced battery of mental fitness tests for anyone aspiring to the police academy. Police officers from a military background tend to view their own citizens as the enemy and the public by and large feel the same way about their respective police forces. It won't end well for the police forces if this practice continues. 7) Colleges and trade schools tuition's need to brought under control as well. Their rising tuition rates far outpace inflation. This would give intelligent and well motivated young people a fighting chance to better their lives through education. Our country's survival literally depends on an educated work force and it's just the right thing to do. Benjamin Carson is a black man. He was also a brilliant Pediatric Neurosurgeon at John's Hopkins and did the first successful Siamese twins separation. Patrick and Benjamin Binder were conjoined twins, joined at the head, born in Germany in early 1987, and separated at Johns Hopkins Hospital on September 7, 1987. Think of how many lives Benjamin Carson has saved and what might have happened if Benjamin had not been able to overcome everything to be the great Physician that he is. https://www.foxnews.com/health/ben-c...y-30-years-ago Last edited by Commander Wallace; 06-10-20 at 08:10 AM.

06-10-20, 08:23 AM	#2
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Your asking us (subsim) for advice? Simple adjustment Commander Wallace is to give the police more money to weed out the bad cops with better training and more counseling. The mayor needs to tell the police who to protect ... What are your priorities? Big business or small business or the public? More visiable protection day and night. That man had the cops called on him for passing a phony $20 bill ... give me a break. Didn't they have security camera's ... call the ATF or the Treasury Department __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..

08-24-20, 04:39 AM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,785 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	^ Merged __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-24-20, 04:53 AM	#8
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,785 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Kenosha shooting: Protests erupt after US police shoot black man Protests have erupted in the US state of Wisconsin after police shot a black man several times while responding to what they said was a domestic incident. The man, identified as Jacob Blake, is in a serious condition in hospital. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53886070 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-24-20, 04:48 PM	#9
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,799 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Video shows Blake being grabbed by his shirt from behind, then the cop shooting Blake in the back at least 7 times. "Justified"? impossible to imagine any way that his shooting was justified. "Anyone following the news for the past six months, and the past six years, has seen a numbing succession of these stories: An unarmed black person, usually a man or boy, is shot by police. There’s a good chance he has his back turned when multiple shots are fired. The incident is caught on video. There are demonstrations demanding reforms. Then some days or weeks later, in another city, the whole thing plays out again." And they call demonstrations against such police action "anarchy"? This is clear racism. Time to wake up for all, what the hell is wrong over there? Last edited by Catfish; 08-24-20 at 05:02 PM.

08-24-20, 05:32 PM	#10
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,545 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I see it as a domestic problem and it shall be solved by the Americans them self. Markus