Tesla: ‘There’s almost no reason to have a gas car’

[Shadowblade]

unluckily EU plans to ban classic cars,
so we can enjoy overexpensive electrocars,
stupid EU

[mapuc]

What's the correct information regarding banning combustion engine from 2030 ?

'Cause here it is said it is the Production and import of these type of cars who will be forbidden after Jan. 1st 2030. It will not be forbidden to drive these cars after this day.

Markus

[Ostfriese]

Originally Posted by Oubaas

I don't think electric cars are going to make it. They're expensive.

If you follow the thought "electric car = Tesla" then you are right. They are unreasonable expensive, and with Musk at the helm Tesla is never going to make it.

Still here? Right, so you might want to read my experiences of driving a relatively small electric car for eight years now (and still going). My Renault ZOE with a 41 kWh accumulator (usually called battery) gives me a summer range of about 300 km (that's about 185 miles, for our friends with imperial measurements). In winter the range drops considerably, to about 220km (about 140 miles).
At a typical charging station charging from 0% to 80% takes a little more an hour, after that the charge is gradually reduced to protect the accumulator, just like in your mobile phone.

The range more than enough for my every day driving, by quite a margin. Longer trips are not much of a problem if there's just one charging stop necessary, in which case I have a break after two hours of driving, and going for a half hour walk is quite relaxing. It'll be worse with trips that require more than one charging stop - but I have yet to do one of those.

Of course I have to admit: even though I live in the least densely populated area of (former) West Germany driving distances here are much shorter than in the US, and I know that the ranges I mentioned are too short to cover the typical distances in the US, especially in the rural areas.

The limiting factors of the electric grids usually are not the local grids. It's either on the larger scale (the national grid, which the Bavarians stubbornly refuse to modernize) or on the smaller scale (the grid at your home, which might be too old to carry the loads).

Why not pair a mini-reactor with the Cyclone Engine in automoobiles? Zero carbon cars.

Well, Ford actually developed the concept of a nuclear powered car:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon

Didn't go far in the crazy 1950s

[JU_88]

We are told that supposedly by 2030 everyone must have an electric car and will be using AI in everything for everything - all while running on a power grid that relies only on Russian natural gas or wind and solar.
So Energy demand will be x10, while energy supply will be-90%

Yeah...
I think One half of the above 2030 prediction is simply not to happen.

[Platapus]

We already have a thread on this

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Platapus

We already have a thread on this

I expect Jim will merge this thread into the other when he return from Mexico.

Markus

[em2nought]

The once reliable diesels have been so messed up by gov't intervention now that once they become older and super expensive to maintain it makes electric sound mighty attractive in a tractor trailer.

[em2nought]

...but then your hybrid escort vehicle gets a !HEV warning and you think maybe things could become worse.

[mapuc]

So the charging seems to have improve

what about temperature and capacity ?

Temp:

A few years back I saw on a Danish science program how they tested an electric car in summertime and wintertime and the performans between summer and winter was huge.

Capacity- Even here the temp had an impact on the capacity.

(I could of course have remembered it wrong)

Markus

[vienna]

The biggest advantage of electric I've heard and seen in various news and other reports has to do more with performance than anything else; there seems to be an almost universal expression of impression with the almost instant engagement of the electric drive train versus the 'build-up' acceleration of gas engines. Regarding issues with temperature, climate, etc., the same sort of issues are seen in gas and diesel vehicles and may be more easily overcome in electrics than other vehicle types; recharging has also gotten a bit easier with charging stations multiplying in number and accessibility; shopping malls, recreational areas and other similar sorts of public areas have been installing charging stations in their parking lots and they are remarkably convenient: you just pull up into a charger parking space as you would any other parking space, plug in, and go about your business:





A local mega-shopping center has installed a slew of units similar to the above and they are being well used...


What will be interesting to se is the development of other fuel sources; here in CA, there has been a statewide effort to make hydrogen fuel refill stations available; and there are interesting steps forward being taken in fuel cell technologies...








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[Jimbuna]

Am I correct in presuming there is a cost to use a charging bay?