My respect for people's right are being tested

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Breivk has his rights and should be allowed excercise. However I have to admit that I wouldn't mind if key got lost... but that is good reason why I don't have and should never have any say on this kind of issues...
That is good system for prisoners who are in "storage" rather than in "rehabiliiation".

Indeed, it's best for the worst of the worst.

What about State prisons and county(?) jails?

I think they'd probably come under their local state government, not sure if it devolves as far down as county level like the police does though, might well do.

[Catfish]

Yes, Breivik should have his rights. However in some cases including this one, there could be certain jurisdictional approaches for specific cruelties, without threatening democracy and fair trials in general.

Judge not so you will not be judged, alright, but i agree with kraznyi_oktjabr it's good that I do not have any say in this respect as well..

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Oberon

The biggest question is what is justice?

I believe that some people confuse justice with revenge.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by mapuc

His rights !! did He have any thought of his victim's rights when he shot them in cold blood.

No, he did not have any thoughts about the victim's rights. That's why he is a criminal. The very definition of a criminal is someone who breaks the law and or shows no respect for the rights of others.

The state should not be a criminal. That is why the state respects the rights of its citizens, despite what the citizen may or may not have done.... Because the state is not a criminal.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I believe that some people confuse justice with revenge.

My thoughts exactly, and in many situations, such as for the relatives of those who have been directly affected by the perpetrator that is perfectly understandable. In other situations...

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

His appeal will likely get turned down, the annoying thing is that the media were allowed in to film the event, thus giving him air time which is the oxygen on which his type thrives. Should have been a closed hearing really, murder appeals should be. Once a murderer is in prison that should be the last we hear of them until the news of their death is announced. They should be forgotten, because every moment that they are remembered is more than they deserve.

Originally Posted by STEED

Court cases=Money

Not in the media..
Longer its dragged out the better for some persons rubbing their hands with glee.

In the Media..
This vile person is having a good time making the rest of us feel sick and angry.

Agreed.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Should have been a closed hearing really, murder appeals should be.

Closed hearing? aka secret tribunal? No way that could be abused.

There should not be any reason why due process is to be conducted in secret.

The entire purpose of an appeal is to challenge the decision of the government in a case.

Do we really want to give the government the power to conduce secret hearings and then proclaim "uh, no the appeal was denied, but we really looked at it carefully and son-of-a-gun, it turned out that our initial decision was correct. Imagine that!"

I don't want to live under a government that has that power. I fear that the US is rapidly moving to that and it scares me.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Closed hearing? aka secret tribunal? No way that could be abused.

There should not be any reason why due process is to be conducted in secret.

The entire purpose of an appeal is to challenge the decision of the government in a case.

Do we really want to give the government the power to conduce secret hearings and then proclaim "uh, no the appeal was denied, but we really looked at it carefully and son-of-a-gun, it turned out that our initial decision was correct. Imagine that!"

I don't want to live under a government that has that power. I fear that the US is rapidly moving to that and it scares me.

An open hearing could be abused too. Breivik used about two hours to present his saying-and he used about 30 minutes to talk about his manifest an other things.
A court is not a place from where a person can give his or her political view.

Markus

[Platapus]

But with an open hearing, people would have a much better chance of detecting that the hearing was abused. A much greater chance than with a closed hearing.

As for him speaking? Who cares? Let him speak. The judge can limit the amount of time he is allowed to speak. If he wants to use this time to make declarations, so be it.

Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.

But the surest test for a country's dedication to its citizen's rights is no better demonstrated when applied to someone they really really dislike.