Gunman takes hostages in Sydney - Page 2

Schroeder · 12-15-14, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Those hostages have drawn the a..-card, but so be it, it cannot be helped. The terrorist is not to escape and his demands are not to be fulfilled, I hope this is crystalclear to the authorities.

German media say the terrorist is a known customer to the police. The five people getting out, escaped, and were not released.

He is reported to have four bombs. Whether they are real or just fake, is not known.

Let's hope he becomes a martyr without anyone else buying it.

Onkel Neal · 12-15-14, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Good thing they have all that gun control

No kidding. Just imagine if one or two of the hostages was a CHL owner. I bet the terrorist didn't even pause to consider someone might be armed and able to defend themselves. He didn't have to. Just needed to round them up like sheep, they're harmless.

Oberon · 12-15-14, 08:30 AM

Because the United States has never had a hostage situation...

Onkel Neal · 12-15-14, 08:33 AM

Sure they have, we have plenty of sheep here too.

Rockstar · 12-15-14, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tango589

There seems to be a slight element of farce about this, as the gunman appears to have the wrong flag and has requested the Australian authorities give him the correct one.

A farce is a comedy meant to entertain the audience.

Seriously the flag in that cafe is the standard of Islam. It has written on the Shahada and though it may not always be directly linked to terrorism. It is a very very common statement of the Islamic faith.

Tchocky · 12-15-14, 08:44 AM

Hmm.

For anyone banging on about gun control - take a couple of minutes to familiarise yourself with Australia's history with public firearm ownership.

One hostage situation does not a compelling argument make.

Oberon · 12-15-14, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Sure they have, we have plenty of sheep here too.

And the risks of ricochets?

Rockstar · 12-15-14, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

... He is reported to have four bombs. Whether they are real or just fake, is not known.

Lets not jump to conclusions they must be fake. That kind of stuff and firearms are illegal. He is probaby keeping everyone at bay using stern looks or threatening to pee in their tea cups.

Rockstar · 12-15-14, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

And the risks of ricochets?

Ricochet are my concern too, that and over penetration. Which is why I prefer to use #4 buckshot rather than 00 for home defense. Gun Control is being able to hit your target only.

Oberon · 12-15-14, 08:53 AM

The gunman has been named as Man Monis, he's a 49 year old Iranian from Sydney. He even has his own wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Haron

ABCnews is streaming here:
http://abcnews.go.com/Live/

Oberon · 12-15-14, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

That is my concern too, that and over penetration. Which is why I prefer to use #4 buckshot rather than 00 for home defense. Gun Control is being able to hit your target only.

That's fair enough, but not everyone would think that way which leads to the risk of innocent bystanders being wounded or killed by the gunfire.

Onkel Neal · 12-15-14, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

And the risks of ricochets?

Versus the risk of execution head shots for 10 people?

Oberon · 12-15-14, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Versus the risk of execution head shots for 10 people?

A valid point, admittedly.

Schroeder · 12-15-14, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

No kidding. Just imagine if one or two of the hostages was a CHL owner. I bet the terrorist didn't even pause to consider someone might be armed and able to defend themselves. He didn't have to. Just needed to round them up like sheep, they're harmless.

So you think 30.000 gun fatalities in the US per year are a good trade for one or two hostage situations like that per year?

Dread Knot · 12-15-14, 09:22 AM

I'd be curious to know what this guy is doing when his bladder begins to complain.

"I'll be skipping to the loo for a moment. Consider yourselves still at gunpoint please."

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Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Hmm. For anyone banging on about gun control - take a couple of minutes to familiarise yourself with Australia's history with public firearm ownership. One hostage situation does not a compelling argument make. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Because the United States has never had a hostage situation...

12-15-14, 08:53 AM	#25
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The gunman has been named as Man Monis, he's a 49 year old Iranian from Sydney. He even has his own wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Haron ABCnews is streaming here: http://abcnews.go.com/Live/

12-15-14, 09:22 AM	#30
Dread Knot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,288 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I'd be curious to know what this guy is doing when his bladder begins to complain. "I'll be skipping to the loo for a moment. Consider yourselves still at gunpoint please."