I officially declare my Business a MUSLIM FREE Zone

[Feuer Frei!]

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You can be the master of your own house, no dramas i'm sure.
But to assume that all Muslims are radicals, like our dear little Jan is just nut case material.


And The Dept of Justice may have had something to do with the removal of that website link.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

You can be the master of your own house, no dramas i'm sure.
But to assume that all Muslims are radicals, like our dear little Jan is just nut case material.

For the 1001st time: I describe the ideology of Islam as what it is, with Koran and Hadith, the sura at its basis and fundament. Withotu this fundament, it is not Islam you are talking of, but just an imagination told by subjective fantasy - and then please call it that, but do not call it "Islam": it isn't. And the ideological fundament of Islam is not any different than what I say. You can check that in the most original scripture it claims to be its fundament. Ort do you want to tell Islam that you know better what it is than Islam knows that itself?

Regarding the "me in my shop scenario", I obviously spoke in a far more general context. I would claim the right to deny any customer if that is what I would want to do: refusing to come to a deal with him. It does not matter what my motivation is for that. Like I also determine which price I demand for what item or service I offer.

Regarding Muslims (this time the person, not the ideology), it should be known by now that I see it this way: that the criterion for me whether I could come to terms with somebody claiming to be Muslim is whether I see him following the rules of the Koran, or ignoring them. The Koran would demand a male Muslim to see me as inferior, as an infidel and kuffar that he must help to subjugate and to discriminate (for male Muslims doing so is mandatory by Koran'S ruling), even more, since I am neither Christian or Jew, he would need to wish seeing me being killed, by him, or by other Muslims, since I am an infidel and the Koran demands the killing of infidels that are no members of people of the the book. So, a Muslim living by the Koran for me would be a big problem, obviously. As you and others correctly point out, not all people claiming to be Muslim, indeed want that, and some of these indeed do fall in line with Western cultural demands, values and laws. But it is a fact that by doing so they already have violated what the Koran demands them to do (and I assume for a moment you also do not want to refer to the later-risen tactic of taqiya), and by that from the Koran'S and the Sharia'S POV they are not true Muslims, but apostates, who either fall back into line with Islam, or who are to be killed.

As I repeatedly said, I have talked with several "Muslims" who were in doubt about Islam, and I accompanied two or three of them who turned into full confessing apostates, under great individual sacrifices and emotional suffering, and conflicts. People like you, people of your misled thinking, are betraying thse people, and turn a shrugging shoulder on them, like you also leave families and people in the rain who fled from Isamic tyranny in forign countries, attracted by the promise for liberty and proteciton from rcism in the West - only to see people of your misled thinking denying the terorr they have been thorugh, and enying the reaosns why this terror is being carried oiutk, and denying them the legitmicay of what actually they have experienced themselves and have witnessed with there ver yown senses: you tell them that it is not Islam they were prosecuted by and that wants their women being oppressed. I other words, you laugh the victims in their faces and deny the legitimacy of their claim that they are fleeing from the rule of an dieology's rtule and tyranny that has this content, and not any other. You do that becasue you think you know it better. And you know it better withgout having a cionvincing intellectual basis for your views. You just do not want to admit that Islam could be as bad as it obviously is, that violates your desire for a fair and humane world where we all sit under the tree at springtime, hold each other'S hands and sing happy songs. Hell, I am so sick and tired of this pathologic denial of obvious reality.

Helping those apostates I mentioned to become aware of these contradictions in their thinking (to think of them as muslim identity where in fact they already had decide din their heart that they do not want to live by its grim, barbaric content) was always a major part of their travel towards inner liberalization and freedom, this fight against insane attempts to label themselves as something barbaric that by their humane intentions and ideas they could not and did not want to be any longer. A person that would act and live his life in accordance with the values and ideals of humanistic tradition and liberalism, cannot correctly insist to be seen as a Nazi - it just would nto make sense. A person that refuses to follow the rules of the Koran demanding totalitarianism and intolerance, racism, discrimination, killing and subjugation, cannot claim to be Muslim, for these things are what Muhammad demanded from his followers and what thus is demanded by the Koran. The Koran is not the sermon on the mount. It is a declaration of war against all non-Muslim mankind.

Twist and turn it as long as you want. At the end - you still are wrong. You are not dealing with the real people, Muslims and apostates alike - you are dealing with shadows that are cast by your own mind. In other words, you idea of what reality should be, but what it simply is not.