The Manifesto of Elliot Rodger - Page 2

Oberon · 06-02-14, 02:06 PM

Question: Before he became a mass murderer would anyone have read this manifesto?

Dread Knot · 06-02-14, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Question: Before he became a mass murderer would anyone have read this manifesto?

Given the length and turgid, self-obsessed nature of the text, probably not many.

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 06-02-14, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Question: Before he became a mass murderer would anyone have read this manifesto?

I would put that on the low side of maybe. If he had money or power people probably would but since he was pretty much off everyone's radar no-one would know it even existed until after the fact. The same question could be asked of the video he posted titled Retribution at least one day before the killing spree. How come no-one noticed it? That should of raised alarms too but it didn't until too late.

Dread Knot · 06-02-14, 04:18 PM

The part where he suggests that most women should be put into concentration camps, to be starved to death, while he watches should have raised eyebrows. But there are worse rants on the internet. Some just glibly posted there by trolls to incite negative attention.

I am not a psychiatrist and couldn't give diagnoses on the basis of reading something of this sort. I cannot tell what the role of the bullying he faced at school might have been, and I cannot tell if anything could have been done to relieve his delusions. But the role of entitlement, the role of narcissism and the role of god-like thinking in the manifesto makes me fear that any ordinary therapy would likely not have worked. Something was either going to get in his path, or be denied him sooner or later, and set him off.

Wolferz · 06-02-14, 05:37 PM

This lovelorn fellow just took a wrong turn...

Blame it on Google for not updating their maps properly.

Onkel Neal · 06-02-14, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dread Knot

The part where he suggests that most women should be put into concentration camps, to be starved to death, while he watches should have raised eyebrows. But there are worse rants on the internet. Some just glibly posted there by trolls to incite negative attention.

I am not a psychiatrist and couldn't give diagnoses on the basis of reading something of this sort. I cannot tell what the role of the bullying he faced at school might have been, and I cannot tell if anything could have been done to relieve his delusions. But the role of entitlement, the role of narcissism and the role of god-like thinking in the manifesto makes me fear that any ordinary therapy would likely not have worked. Something was either going to get in his path, or be denied him sooner or later, and set him off.

Indeed. I wonder, is there any kind of treatment for people like him?

AVGWarhawk · 06-02-14, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Indeed. I wonder, is there any kind of treatment for people like him?

Straight jacket and rubber room come to mind.

Stealhead · 06-02-14, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Question: Before he became a mass murderer would anyone have read this manifesto?

Counter question: Is it odd that I have no desire to ever write a manifesto? I mean a crazy dude one some manifestos are big deals such as The Declaration of Independence.

Oberon · 06-02-14, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

Counter question: Is it odd that I have no desire to ever write a manifesto? I mean a crazy dude one some manifestos are big deals such as The Declaration of Independence.

It's not likely that any of us will be in a position to need to write one, unless Neal takes Texas out of the union, which is possible I guess.

HunterICX · 06-03-14, 03:25 AM

and reforms the USA to USS? United States of Subsim?

CaptainMattJ. · 06-06-14, 03:20 AM

Aspergers can be a crazy disease. Aspergers can potentially ruin the development of social skills, along with causing a complete lack of empathy. Elliot rodgers had extremely poor social skills which made him an outcast for most of his life. He suffered from severe depression and frequent thoughts of suicide. Eventually, most likely due to the depression and his Aspergers, his grief turned into envious hatred. He mentioned many times how he thought he was a superb and perfect gentleman, and how girls would be lucky to have him, marking where he begins blaming society for his inadequacies. It was probably a mix of all the wrong things coming together that made this kid go completely psycho. There seems to be a pattern: Aspergers and rough childhoods apparently dont mix well together.

TarJak · 06-06-14, 06:06 AM

Aspergers or no, he was a misogynist and nothing much more. He deserves contempt and any rejection he got, though there's not much of that in his pile of poo scribblings.

No-one would have any sympathy/empathy with him if he was a terrorist. No-one should have any for a misogynistic killer. Glad he's dead an its a shame he had to take some good people with him to fulfil some self aggrandising fantasy.

Stealhead · 06-07-14, 12:07 AM

I am no expert but when I take into consideration that there are many successful members of society who have Aspergers I find it unlikely that it in and of its self has any effect on the potential for a person to commit a violent act.

It is not even listed in the DSM-5 manual.

In my opinion spree killings are a culmination of many factors the media just has to play the if it bleeds it leads game and make up their reason why it happened when in truth they have no idea.

CaptainMattJ. · 06-07-14, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

Aspergers or no, he was a misogynist and nothing much more. He deserves contempt and any rejection he got, though there's not much of that in his pile of poo scribblings.

No-one would have any sympathy/empathy with him if he was a terrorist. No-one should have any for a misogynistic killer. Glad he's dead an its a shame he had to take some good people with him to fulfil some self aggrandising fantasy.

I actually dont sympathize or empathize with him at all. I was saying how aspergers may (or may not) have played a role in the development of such a psychopath. It could have been why he was such an outcast, and why he would come to the conclusion that society was not only to blame for his misery, but should be punished for it. Its fascinating and horrifying to try and wrap your head around the mind of a psychopath, which is why i mentioned it. Ultimately, however, it doesnt really matter what he killed for or why, because hes still a monster.

TarJak · 06-07-14, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

I actually dont sympathize or empathize with him at all. I was saying how aspergers may (or may not) have played a role in the development of such a psychopath. It could have been why he was such an outcast, and why he would come to the conclusion that society was not only to blame for his misery, but should be punished for it. Its fascinating and horrifying to try and wrap your head around the mind of a psychopath, which is why i mentioned it. Ultimately, however, it doesnt really matter what he killed for or why, because hes still a monster.

I wasn't suggesting that you did sympathise or empathise with him. Just chucking my 2 cents in the ring.

06-02-14, 05:37 PM	#20
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Plain and simple... This lovelorn fellow just took a wrong turn... Blame it on Google for not updating their maps properly. __________________ Tomorrow never comes Last edited by Wolferz; 06-02-14 at 07:06 PM.

06-03-14, 03:25 AM	#25
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	and reforms the USA to USS? United States of Subsim? __________________

06-06-14, 03:20 AM	#26
CaptainMattJ. The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sin City Posts: 1,364 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	Aspergers can be a crazy disease. Aspergers can potentially ruin the development of social skills, along with causing a complete lack of empathy. Elliot rodgers had extremely poor social skills which made him an outcast for most of his life. He suffered from severe depression and frequent thoughts of suicide. Eventually, most likely due to the depression and his Aspergers, his grief turned into envious hatred. He mentioned many times how he thought he was a superb and perfect gentleman, and how girls would be lucky to have him, marking where he begins blaming society for his inadequacies. It was probably a mix of all the wrong things coming together that made this kid go completely psycho. There seems to be a pattern: Aspergers and rough childhoods apparently dont mix well together. __________________ A popular Government without popular information nor the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own Governors must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives - James Madison

06-02-14, 02:06 PM	#16
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Question: Before he became a mass murderer would anyone have read this manifesto?

06-02-14, 04:18 PM	#19
Dread Knot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,288 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	The part where he suggests that most women should be put into concentration camps, to be starved to death, while he watches should have raised eyebrows. But there are worse rants on the internet. Some just glibly posted there by trolls to incite negative attention. I am not a psychiatrist and couldn't give diagnoses on the basis of reading something of this sort. I cannot tell what the role of the bullying he faced at school might have been, and I cannot tell if anything could have been done to relieve his delusions. But the role of entitlement, the role of narcissism and the role of god-like thinking in the manifesto makes me fear that any ordinary therapy would likely not have worked. Something was either going to get in his path, or be denied him sooner or later, and set him off.

06-06-14, 06:06 AM	#27
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Aspergers or no, he was a misogynist and nothing much more. He deserves contempt and any rejection he got, though there's not much of that in his pile of poo scribblings. No-one would have any sympathy/empathy with him if he was a terrorist. No-one should have any for a misogynistic killer. Glad he's dead an its a shame he had to take some good people with him to fulfil some self aggrandising fantasy.

06-07-14, 12:07 AM	#28
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I am no expert but when I take into consideration that there are many successful members of society who have Aspergers I find it unlikely that it in and of its self has any effect on the potential for a person to commit a violent act. It is not even listed in the DSM-5 manual. In my opinion spree killings are a culmination of many factors the media just has to play the if it bleeds it leads game and make up their reason why it happened when in truth they have no idea.