Fallout 0.9

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Bunker building has seen a little revival in the 80s or 90s, and that includes the Reagan years, so little surprise there. Spiegel says in the article therefore that such bunkers were build from the 50s or 60s, until the 90s.

Let's split hairs. It's so very important to give a paper you dislike for not matching your views a bad name over nothing.

I posted this just for the images.

If you posted this just for the images then why argue for the accuracy of Spiegels claim that private fallout bunker building was popular into the 1990's?

I'll tell you why. Because you just can't stand to have your bias pointed out so you feel you must defend it even to the point of trying to tell Americans what is happening within their own country based on an article from an obviously anti-American magazine. Why don't you just quote Al Jazeera? Oh that's right you hate Muslims more than you hate Americans.

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Have you spoken to anyone that was in SAC or the NORAD end of TAC back in the day? I suspect not as they would not have you feeling so optimistic.Not to say that those folks did not try their best but it was what it was.

Optimistic? No Bub, I only explained that it wasn't so obvious to people in the 50's and early 60's that a personal fallout bunker was a waste of time. As you point out in the rest of your post by the mid 60's the advances in ballistic technology made it a lot clearer. That's why air raid drills stopped and personal bunker building fell off in popularity.

Here's a question for you and every other American who reads this. How many people do you know built a personal fallout shelter in their yard after 1965? Do you believe like Skybird that the American people were busy building them right through the 1990's?

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by August

Optimistic? No Bub, I only explained that it wasn't so obvious to people in the 50's and early 60's that a personal fallout bunker was a waste of time. As you point out in the rest of your post by the mid 60's the advances in ballistic technology made it a lot clearer. That's why air raid drills stopped and personal bunker building fell off in popularity.

Here's a question for you and every other American who reads this. How many people do you know built a personal fallout shelter in their yard after 1965? Do you believe like Skybird that the American people were busy building them right through the 1990's?

Aren't the Swiss still building them today?

[August]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

Aren't the Swiss still building them today?

It took me awhile to figure out what you meant!


Air raid, get into the bunker!

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by August

It took me awhile to figure out what you meant!


Air raid, get into the bunker!

I was actually thinking of this lol: http://thecasualtruth.com/story/swit...ear-bunker-law

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Platapus

We were teaching children to kneel under their desks and place their hands behind their neck - Duck and cover! I was one of those children.

Why?

Because there is not much else one could do.

It gave people something to think about that could help them emotionally handle the thought of nuclear war.

Same thing about the bunkers. People feel better if they can do something (anything) when faced with the risk of a terrible event they have no control over.

By being given a tiny bit of control (duck and cover) or six feet of compressed dirt in your backyard, it can help.

I can only speak for my family and my experiences growing up in the cold war -- no one had fantasies of surviving. A bunker was a place to die with your family.

When I was a kid we use to play in a mans bunker, made a nice clubhouse.

Yea, I can remember the nuke drills in school in the 60's and 70's, really silly. Get under your desk, put you head between your legs and at the sight of the flash, kiss your arse goodbye.

[Oberon]

Protect and Survive:


and the documentary I mentioned, it wasn't Panorama it was QED:

QED: A Guide to Armageddon

[Betonov]

Shame we don't have a fallout shelter.

It'd make an excellent hydroponics lab

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Shame we don't have a fallout shelter.

It'd make an excellent hydroponics lab

I should imagine quite a few are used to grow cannabis...I certainly used to know of one in my area.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I should imagine quite a few are used to grow cannabis...I certainly used to know of one in my area.

Confiscate it all !!!!!! Damn toasted punks

And then I'll PM you my adress

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Confiscate it all !!!!!! Damn toasted punks

And then I'll PM you my adress

LOL....wish I could

[Oberon]

Funny that underground factories should be mentioned:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23934312

Read this the other day, some impressive work.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Funny that underground factories should be mentioned:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23934312

Read this the other day, some impressive work.

Small fry...try this

http://www.burlingtonbunker.co.uk/

[mapuc]

In the 80'ies where we saw lots of demonstration in Europe against the placement of these new minuteman(or what they were called)

Even our TV-program was about nuclear war and what could happen and how to survive it by hiding in a bunker. Even there they said you need food and water for about 14 days.

I remembered thinking. 14 days what about all this fallout some of them will be there for decades and maybe hundred of years.

So I tried to calculate what 1 person need to live underground in about 45-50 years

The person needs:
Water
Food
oil/gas/or whatever that is needed to run some of the equipment
Play stuff(to the times where there's nothing else to do)
Read stuff(same here)
and a lot more.

A person need about 2-3 Liters of water drinking. water to keep a person somehow clean about 5-10 liters(really not sure) Water to make food. 1-2 liters

I Even estimated that some of the water could be cleaned and reused again as water to the washing machine

To keep the water clean and not sour I need it to be mixed(don't know the real word for it) and for that I need electricity/power.

So make the calculation
3+10+2x50x365= about 273 cubic meters of water for 1 person
I could have calculated wrong.

However that how long you need to stay underground if I have understand it correctly

Markus

[vienna]

Depending on where you were located geographically, the availabilty of fallout shelters was really quite useless. If you were in a "high-value" target area, the amount of destruction would have been so enormus and the lingering effects afterwards so unlivable, instant death would be far more preferable, as noted above by a previous poster. In my hometown of San Francisco, at the time of the Cold War, the city was the headquarters of the U.S. 6th Army, a major U.S. Naval port, and had in the areas surrounding several "hidden" missle installations. If a full-fledged atomic war broke out, the city was toast. Most of us in the city just kind of ignored the threat and just went on with life as usual (or as ususal as life can be in San Francisco)...


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