Never marry an American woman.

[Wolferz]

That's what he gets for marrying a fifteen year old woman.

@ Armistead...

Don't do it Steve. I've seen some real knock down drag out fights between same sex couples.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Sorry, I would have taken her to the lake. The guy cares more about his tires? Perhaps he should sleep with his car. Does he consistently chose to do things on Saturday that do not include her? How long has this been going on that drove the woman to finally throw in the towel? A relationship needs to be nurtured. This guy loves to rotate tires instead. Two sides to this story.

I'll bet the other side your not seeing, is the regularity of her bullcrap.

From the article:

“After dealing with her drinking problems (“she is on probation for a DUI”),

The women in this video reminds me in many ways of my a girlfriend I had for 7 years. Whom I call "My ex" though we were never married. The part your probably not seeing in this video is how he probably did try through the years, but her BS never improved, and if anything only got worse.

At some point in a relationship like this, you just stop caring, and it's becomes a waiting game to see how much more you can handle before you reach your breaking point, and say, "Ok that's it, i'm outta here". The longer your with the drunken bitch, the longer it takes to reach that point. My breaking point was when my ex almost had me hauled off by the cops for something I didn't do, because she was lying to the police, over ANOTHER one of HER drunken stupors.

ANd no, rehab didn't work. I did that walk with her too.

I'm totally on the guys side of this story. I know what hes going through, and in the video to me, it looks like he really just doesn't give a crap anymore, and i don't blame him in the slightest.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I'll bet the other side your not seeing, is the regularity of her bullcrap.

Possibly. Are we seeing the regularity of his bullcrap with items such as the insatiable desire to have his tires rotated? After a 60 hour week he wishes to spend time with his tire rotation. Was there any reason the car could not be dropped off and picked up later after going to the lake. The guy refuses to work with his wife. How is she feeling when a tire rotation trumps anything she might like to do with her husband. Let's blame it on her drinking problems? A DUI? Perhaps it was poor judgement the day she decided to drive after drinking. He labels is a drinking problem. I had a DUI 30 years ago. I do not have a drinking problem. I had poor judgement. IMO this guy it not ready for a relationship that includes a human. He is, however, ready to make nice nice with a set of tires on his car. After all, getting high mileage from your tires is the key to happiness. At least in his world. Sometimes people can frustrate another enough to elicit this reaction. Let's add in the childishness of posting this exchange on U-tube. I'm inclined to believe the problem is sitting behind the wheel in the video.

[garren]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Possibly. Are we seeing the regularity of his bullcrap with items such as the insatiable desire to have his tires rotated? After a 60 hour week he wishes to spend time with his tire rotation. Was there any reason the car could not be dropped off and picked up later after going to the lake. The guy refuses to work with his wife. How is she feeling when a tire rotation trumps anything she might like to do with her husband. Let's blame it on her drinking problems? A DUI? Perhaps it was poor judgement the day she decided to drive after drinking. He labels is a drinking problem. I had a DUI 30 years ago. I do not have a drinking problem. I had poor judgement. IMO this guy it not ready for a relationship that includes a human. He is, however, ready to make nice nice with a set of tires on his car. After all, getting high mileage from your tires is the key to happiness. At least in his world. Sometimes people can frustrate another enough to elicit this reaction. Let's add in the childishness of posting this exchange on U-tube. I'm inclined to believe the problem is sitting behind the wheel in the video.

Priorities man priorities! Tires are more important than the lake by far. If he gets killed with bad tires on his vehicle then no more him and no more lake. Well, maybe she'd still get to go to the lake when she gets all his money from his estate.

First off, he made no promises to go to the lake. Had she and him made plans to go to the lake BEFOREHAND then you'd be right. But he claims he never made any promise to her and had told her that he needed the weekend to get things done around the home. You can tell she's lazy because she should be handling things around the home while he's off working 60+ hours each week.

The outbursts from the woman shows that she uses that same old tired whiny emotional crap to manipulate her man into doing for her. "If you're not going to do what I want you to do, I'm going to SCREEEEEAAAAAAMMMMM!!!" This is the behavior of a 5 year old girl and sadly the behavior of most American women I've met.

The problem with women, especially American women, is their daddies spoil the hell out of them when they are kids. Females grow up learning that males are nothing more than sperm donors and personal ATM machines they can withdraw from any time.

I had an older sister and my father could not/would not let his little princess down no matter what she wanted and when she wanted it. He was just like this father when it came to her...



She WANTED new shoes - and he got them for her. If I NEEDED new shoes he would say "What's wrong with the ones I got you 5 years ago?" My answer - "Uh, Dad, I was 5 when you got me those. Now I'm 10 and I've grown and they don't fit anymore" My dad's reply "Well maybe you should stop eating so much" always finished with the mandatory "Go get a job! Money doesn't grow on trees you know! I'm sure someone needs their grass mowed or car washed. Go ask around the neighborhood."

But you know what? It made me a better man. I learned to be independent and self-sufficient while my older sister has slept with multiple guys and uses every single one of them for financial support. Then she divorces them and sues for child support and alimony and she makes enough off the government and the men she's raping financially to support herself now while her kids go without. Yep, she uses their CHILD support money to pay for her own lifestyle. Her kids are still wearing the same old rags they've had for years. You can see their belly buttons now because their shirts are that short on them now. But she's always wearing something nice and sexy - trying to lure and entrap the next sucker in her sick little game.

[AVGWarhawk]

garren

Priorities man priorities! Tires are more important than the lake by far. If he gets killed with bad tires on his vehicle then no more him and no more lake. Well, maybe she'd still get to go to the lake when she gets all his money from his estate.

The wife is the first priority. Period. That is the problem in the relationship. Tires are the priority for him. She is secondary. Cars can be dropped for service. Picked up later. Shops are open as late as 8 pm. Killed from bad tires? This guy loves his tires. That's apparent. He makes very little effort to schedule time for his wife. Did he discuss his plans or dictate them? I guess stroking tires in the showroom for the day is much more fun.

First off, he made no promises to go to the lake. Had she and him made plans to go to the lake BEFOREHAND then you'd be right. But he claims he never made any promise to her and had told her that he needed the weekend to get things done around the home. You can tell she's lazy because she should be handling things around the home while he's off working 60+ hours each week.

Promises were made back on the day he was married. Did he discuss his plans or dictate them? Now she is lazy? You got that from the video? In my home car issues and maintenance is handled by me. She handles food shopping, cleaning and laundry, etc. Her job at home is probably 24/7. Get real man. You also naturally assume she does not work outside the home.

The problem with women, especially American women, is their daddies spoil the hell out of them when they are kids. Females grow up learning that males are nothing more than sperm donors and personal ATM machines they can withdraw from any time.

My my, have we had a poor record with females? I have two daughters. Yup, treat them like princesses. But both are taught the value of the dollar and working hard to achieve things in life. That is what parents are supposed to do. Honey Boo Boo is the exception. I treat my wife like a queen. She reciprocates in kind x10.

Sorry your dad did not hug you enough. Usually the worlds problems are attributed to no dad hugs.

[garren]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

garren


The wife is the first priority. Period. That is the problem in the relationship. Tires are the priority for him. She is secondary. Cars can be dropped for service. Picked up later. Shops are open as late as 8 pm. Killed from bad tires? This guy loves his tires. That's apparent. He makes very little effort to schedule time for his wife.



Promises were made back on the day he was married. Did he discuss his plans or dictate them? Now she is lazy? You got that from the video? In my home car issues and maintenance is handled by me. She handles food shopping, cleaning and laundry, etc. He job at home is probably 24/7. Get real man. You also naturally assume she does not work outside the home.



My my, have we had a poor record with females? I have two daughters. Yup, treat them like princesses. But both are taught the value of the dollar and working hard to achieve things in life. That is what parents are supposed to do. Honey Boo Boo is the exception. I treat my wife like a queen. She reciprocates in kind x10.

Sorry you dad did not hug you enough. Usually the worlds problems are attributed to no dad hugs.

Some men just refuse to be helped.

[CaptainHaplo]

The video itself is pretty telling. Watch her antics, her reactions, her choices. Whining, throwing a fit, yelling and screaming at him, texting out to others to make him look bad, etc. She didn't act like an adult anywhere in that video. She wants what she wants and everything else is secondary. Even her "crying" is faked since she never once wipes her face - its all just trying to get her way.

She asked to stop for cigarettes. That kind of behavior would have been real simple - pull over, tell her to get out - tell her where the closest store is and that her childish tail can walk there and then find her own way home because I don't have the time or desire to deal with that crap. Then again, that is I don't marry Mine.

Any healthy relationship (regardless of dynamic) is a 2 way street that must include respect and trust in both directions. It requires a little sacrifice from both sides to make it work. Regardless of all else, the moment she grabbed her phone and admitted that she was texting/posting about what a SOB he supposedly was for not letting her have her way - it showed me that there was NO respect in that relationship and that it was totally over and done with.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by garren

Some men just refuse to be helped.

What kind of help do I need?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Any healthy relationship (regardless of dynamic) is a 2 way street that must include respect and trust in both directions. It requires a little sacrifice from both sides to make it work. Regardless of all else, the moment she grabbed her phone and admitted that she was texting/posting about what a SOB he supposedly was for not letting her have her way - it showed me that there was NO respect in that relationship and that it was totally over and done with.

The minute he started the video recording shows no respect. Then to post it on y-tube really takes the cake. Who is the vindictive childish one of the two?

[Ducimus]

AVG, I don't expect you to understand until you've walked a mile in these shoes.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Possibly. Are we seeing the regularity of his bullcrap with items such as the insatiable desire to have his tires rotated?

Maybe it's been a ongoing problem that has been procrastinated for entirely too long and must absolutely be done now. Been there, done that.

After a 60 hour week he wishes to spend time with his tire rotation.

And if one is working that much, your car becomes not only important, but VITAL. No car, no job, no job, no money, no money no house, no food, etc etc.

Was there any reason the car could not be dropped off and picked up later after going to the lake. The guy refuses to work with his wife.

Again, this falls into how much **** is being shoveled by this women. I tell you what, after being lied to about needing 200 dollars for a dental visit, only to find out the money I gave her was being used to buy more booze and god knows what else, after putting up with a couple too many drunken stupers and having her hit me in the face, and after about the second 5150, after working with her in rehab for 30 days inpatient and she still goes back to her old ways...... I stopped working with my Ex too.

How is she feeling when a tire rotation trumps anything she might like to do with her husband.

This may come as a shock to you, but women who think the world revolves around them, are NEVER happy. Watching her tantrum, it's quite obvious to me, she , like my ex, think the world revolves around their desires. It doesn't. There's always responsiblities that must be taken care of as an adult. You can't go off and do la la la whenever you feel like it.

Let's blame it on her drinking problems? A DUI? Perhaps it was poor judgement the day she decided to drive after drinking. He labels is a drinking problem.

Have you lived with a spouse with a drinking problem? I have. It's not fun, and it IS a problem. A lot of stupidty can be traced to it. Poor judgment the one day? HAHAHAHHAHAHHHAH that's a riot. Frankly, i think your entirely ignorant of the situation if your that forgiving of it.

I had a DUI 30 years ago. I do not have a drinking problem.
I had poor judgement.

There's a difference between a one time pooch screw, and someone who has a real drinking problem. I don't think you did, but I know what a drinking problem looks like. Here's a big hint, you can tell by a certain smell in the morning. When someone drinks a lot of alcohol the day before, I swear there's an odor or some oil or something that is excreted out of the skin, and leaves this odd smell in the morning. I've smelled it enough to recognize it.

IMO this guy it not ready for a relationship that includes a human. He is, however, ready to make nice nice with a set of tires on his car. After all, getting high mileage from your tires is the key to happiness. At least in his world.

Again, don't judge a man tell you've walked a mile in his shoes. Not ready for a relationship with a human? What kind of BS is that? I tell you, there is a point where you just stop giving a crap. I can't count the number of times i brought my drug seeking ex to the hospital. At first I thought the concerns were legitimate, standing by her side 18 ****ing hours in the Emergency room, paying the ER co pay out of my own pocket. Fast forward a few years, and i'm dumping her off at the hospital saying something like, "Call me when you get out". A few years later, and she's figured out to call an amublance and complain of chest pains to get seen right away. All this time, I could never quite figure out what the deal was, but I was pretty sure it was all a crock of ****, and it stank. I cared alot at the beginning, but Guess how much I cared towards the end there? I'd have been alot like that guy in the video. Composed, rational, feed up, and just not playing along anymore.

Sometimes people can frustrate another enough to elicit this reaction. Let's add in the childishness of posting this exchange on U-tube. I'm inclined to believe the problem is sitting behind the wheel in the video.

Honestly, if there is a problem with friends and familly being lied to and misguided by this women, then I do not blame him in the least for making and posting the video so the relevant people can see the truth of the situation.

Here's a big problem:
People usually tend to take the woman's side, and abusive women KNOW this.
I have been detained by the police in THREE seperate instances because of this. I was THIS close to being hauled off for things I didn't do, nor have any knowledge of. Thank god the officers involved (some being extreme pricks), stuck with the investigation long enough to find the truth, otherwise, I'd have been in jail for spousal abuse with a criminal record, having done nothing wrong except settling for the wrong women.

I still remember one cops words to this day, " Man, If i were you, as innocent as i was, Im not saying you are mind, just saying hypothetically, I would get out of this relationship right now. If you don't.... man that's just love there.".

Two weeks after those words, and that incident, she was drunk again. I packed my bags and went back to my parents. Best decision I ever made in my life. Now in his case, his wife left, the way i see it, it saved him the trouble of packing his bags at 10 PM at night and hitting the road to crash on his parents couch.

[AVGWarhawk]

Here is the real problem. A five minute video and the woman is 100% at fault for all the ills of the relationship. Most counseling sessions attended to find the answers to a problem in a relationship take hours, weeks and months. In 5 minutes the woman is decided to be the jackwagon. Kind of irresponsible to do so. I'm aware of you old X. You rightly so have an idea that this woman in the video is entirely at fault. But, in good conscience we can not write it off as so without the full story. We did not get that in the 5 minute video.

[Ducimus]

You clearly haven't been in a relationship with an abusive woman with an alcohol problem.

Edit: and I'll leave it at that.

[CaptainHaplo]

AVG - I didn't say she was the only problem.

What I am saying is that her behavior crosses a line in the context of a relationship. Was it childish to record the video? Not if he has been subjected to this consistently. Was it childish to post it on you-tube? Probably - but considering he did so after he had left her and they were separated (pursuing a permanent dissolution to the marriage) then its not exactly unexpected.

If you watch his reaction - he pretty much, as noted, doesn't care. Know why? He isn't invested in the relationship any more - for whatever reason. He is done with her - his mind is already made up. He simply wanted to make sure he had proof of her behavior to help protect himself for the coming battle. If she acts like this with not getting her way - how is she going to act when he leaves and takes his 60 hr a week paycheck with him? Hell hath no fury.... remember.

People don't just wake up one day and throw tantrums like that, nor do they wake up and decide to record one. This has a history which we don't know about. We are judging only based on what we see - and that shows an adult women acting like a child because she isn't getting her way, and then trying to make him look bad over it to everyone they know. Sure, you want to say he is an arse for recording it - ok. But he couldn't be an arse for recording it if there was nothing to record - could he?

[garren]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

What kind of help do I need?

You need to stop viewing yourself as a slave to women. You're holding onto the past chivalry crap because you're scared to let go of it. You probably feel that if you don't protect women and stand up for them that you're not a man and that men like me who refuse to be culturally dictated on what my role as a man is are not men. I'm sick of it with the women's movement. I tried to be like you at one time but I got sick of being scolded that I was a misogynist for holding the door open for women. So I stopped holding doors open for women and then I got scolded that I was a misogynist for not holding doors open for women by men and women who think like you. I would be and should be a feminist. But I can't identify with the movement because it's just too gynocentric and does nothing to help men or boys in areas of life in which men and boys are struggling. It only concerns itself with the empowerment of women and girls and women and girls already dominate over males in many facets of modern day life. Females are getting their cake and eat it too. They are cherry picking and dictating how men are supposed to be. They want the old chivalrous fellow like yourself when it suits them. Then they want a man like me that lets them do their own thing when it suits them.

Someone said it best....

Feminists want women to be MORE EQUAL compared to men.

[August]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

The video itself is pretty telling. Watch her antics, her reactions, her choices. Whining, throwing a fit, yelling and screaming at him, texting out to others to make him look bad, etc. She didn't act like an adult anywhere in that video. She wants what she wants and everything else is secondary. Even her "crying" is faked since she never once wipes her face - its all just trying to get her way.

She asked to stop for cigarettes. That kind of behavior would have been real simple - pull over, tell her to get out - tell her where the closest store is and that her childish tail can walk there and then find her own way home because I don't have the time or desire to deal with that crap. Then again, that is I don't marry Mine.

Any healthy relationship (regardless of dynamic) is a 2 way street that must include respect and trust in both directions. It requires a little sacrifice from both sides to make it work. Regardless of all else, the moment she grabbed her phone and admitted that she was texting/posting about what a SOB he supposedly was for not letting her have her way - it showed me that there was NO respect in that relationship and that it was totally over and done with.

This ^

I had a self absorbed girlfriend like that once although thankfully not quite as bad. It was an absolutely miserable time in my life and when it finally ended it felt like I had been released from prison.