Boy Scouts of America votes to ease ban on gay members

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Obvious?
Spell it out.

wow

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I was in the BS from Cub Scout to Webelos. We never showered together. However, middle school and high school, taking a shower after gym was mandatory. It was a community shower/ Back in the day in local schools swimming was done completely naked. They did not want wet swimming trunks left in the lockers. I never knew if any of the others in my class were sexually attracted to other males. There is no sign on their chest that states they prefer males.

There simply is no easy answer.

Right.In the military in basic and some times in deployed locations you have to shower with other men.I had no way of knowing if any of the people that where showering at the same as me where gay or straight or whatever.As you say not everyone wears it on their sleeve you can not be sure of a persons sexual preference.The stereotype is that a gay man is feminine and speaks with a lisp and walks around like a dandy.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

So who is in charge of this organization and makes such decisions to ban homosexuals?
(Now so kindly retract it, only after massive critisizm)
I want his name. Who is the big "pecker" of this organization?

He can use a trolling from 4 chan...

I have a sneaking suspicion this is based on some misinterpreted verse in the bible, and the head honchos personal opinion.

Guess what book of Leviticus, anti gay bible citers...

You can't eat pork or shelfish either, nor can you "pull out" during intercourse.

But ya know, pick and choose. pick and choose.

I think it has more to do with what parents are comfortable with their boy scout children being exposed to.

i was 7 years old when i was in scouts, my exposure to homosexuality at that age was "We dont hate them, we dont make fun of them... we just dont do what they do." fair enough

but if i had a kid in boy scouts, and i was going to have an adult take my kid off into secluded areas for camping trips or whatever... im going to know every thing i could reasonably be expected to know about that person beforehand... additionally, I'm going to send the kid out with the type of adult i want them to be heavily influenced by.

now by making that statement im not implying that gay men are more susceptible to child molestation than straight men. I am simply trying to make the point that when you put your son into a program for young (often pre-teen) men, you are probably expecting him to be exposed to some young man stuff - camping, fishing, hunting, rock climbing, trapping etc.

anything inherently sexual is not on the list anywhere.

for some parents, they might not necessarily want a "large influence" in a young man's life to be a homosexual male.

and i think that is fair.

you as a parent should have the right to decide what sort of adults interact with and or provide guidance to your young children.

as for banning openly gay boyscouts? Sexuality or sexual discussion has no place in boy scout activities. none. there shouldnt be a need to ban gay scouts because nobody should even be made aware of your sexual orientation at that point in your life.

[soopaman2]

When I went to highschool, one of our gym teachers was a shorthaired lesbian who used to watch the girls shower after field hockey games.

My wife was one of these women. This woman creeped all the girls out. She is not stained, well she married me, maybe she is

So, we need to ban queers, queebs, or quays, from anything, they might stain our kids. Make them come home with a short haircut and a nose piercing, and a same sex friend.

God forbid someone is gay, Jeebus told me gays should be beheaded.

And even if he didn't say that, I 'll twist the word in a way to make my bigotry valid.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Sorry, if one is an adult gay male, I don't see how sexual tension wouldn't arise being alone with naked male teens.

I think, in the UK at least, that most quit being in the scouts around the time they enter their teens (no pun intended).

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

God forbid someone is gay, Jeebus told me gays should be beheaded.

now who is spreading hate?

you seem to blame a lot of this discord on Christianity.

1. I would like to see anywhere in the bible where Jesus said gays should be beheaded

2. i would like to see anywhere in the bible where Jesus said anyone should be beheaded

3. I would like to see anywhere in any written text where it is stated that 100% of Christians, undeniably hate homosexuals

to blame this boyscout thing on the bible, Jesus or Christians makes about as much sense as blaming it on dinosaurs

its all about individual preference of what parents want their children to be influenced by.

besides... they voted to end the gay ban and all anyone does is bitch about it.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I was in the BS from Cub Scout to Webelos. We never showered together. However, middle school and high school, taking a shower after gym was mandatory. It was a community shower/ Back in the day in local schools swimming was done completely naked. They did not want wet swimming trunks left in the lockers. I never knew if any of the others in my class were sexually attracted to other males. There is no sign on their chest that states they prefer males.

There simply is no easy answer.

Things may have changed, I know in the 70's, during long camping trips we often all used the same public showers. I recall once after a long dirty hike, we all used the open showers outside. It may be leaders don't shower with the scouts today. Still, you see a lot of nakedness, etc.

Again, for me it's more about sexual tension and risk regarding children with adults. As I said, you don't see male coaches in the girls locker room because they would be aroused by the girls nakedness. I don't see how a gay male scout leader could ignore seeing numerous naked male teens. We are aroused by what we're attracted to. It doesn't make the person bad, just not the right situation for adults and children to be in.

If we're honest, if a open gay scout leader came to pick up your 15 year old son to take out into the woods for a 7 day trip, thoughts of concern would cross your mind. This isn't band camp, etc....

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

When I went to highschool, one of our gym teachers was a shorthaired lesbian who used to watch the girls shower after field hockey games.

My wife was one of these women. This woman creeped all the girls out. She is not stained, well she married me, maybe she is

Wait wording is off here a bit.It sort reads as if your wife was the creepy short haired lesbian gym teacher.

Anyway I think it is good that all female gym teachers are short haired lesbians it gives the young lesbian girls a role model.

[GoldenRivet]

i needed that


lol i wasnt going to point it out

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Things may have changed, I know in the 70's, during long camping trips we often all used the same public showers. I recall once after a long dirty hike, we all used the open showers outside. It may be leaders don't shower with the scouts today. Still, you see a lot of nakedness, etc.

Again, for me it's more about sexual tension and risk regarding children with adults. As I said, you don't see male coaches in the girls locker room because they would be aroused by the girls nakedness. I don't see how a gay male scout leader could ignore seeing numerous naked male teens. We are aroused by what we're attracted to. It doesn't make the person bad, just not the right situation for adults and children to be in.

If we're honest, if a open gay scout leader came to pick up your 15 year old son to take out into the woods for a 7 day trip, thoughts of concern would cross your mind. This isn't band camp, etc....

I was in the scouts in the 70's. It may just be the camps we attended that had separate showers. Or, boys being boys, did not shower because we did not have to!

And yes, thoughts would cross my mind if a openly gay scout leader was wandering off into the woods with my kid. Even my kid might have reservations about it. Then again, teenagers today seem to be more accepting of the gay and lesbian community. I have two teenage girls. They do not really frown on it at all. More so accept and live with it.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Wait wording is off here a bit.It sort reads as if your wife was the creepy short haired lesbian gym teacher.

Anyway I think it is good that all female gym teachers are short haired lesbians it gives the young lesbian girls a role model.

My vocabulary is good, but how I convey my ideas is flawed, I love this site because my ideas are judged and debated and not my grammer and spelling. Cuz I not be so smart!

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I was in the scouts in the 70's. It may just be the camps we attended that had separate showers. Or, boys being boys, did not shower because we did not have to!

And yes, thoughts would cross my mind if a openly gay scout leader was wandering off into the woods with my kid. Even my kid might have reservations about it. Then again, teenagers today seem to be more accepting of the gay and lesbian community. I have two teenage girls. They do not really frown on it at all. More so accept and live with it.

What is your fear?

Why has homosexual become synonymous with Pedophile?

Dude, that is intolerant as hell. (imho)

Allahu Akbar. That fag should be shunned. Because he likes Penises in his mouth *lol* giggle sound*

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I was in the scouts in the 70's. It may just be the camps we attended that had separate showers. Or, boys being boys, did not shower because we did not have to!

And yes, thoughts would cross my mind if a openly gay scout leader was wandering off into the woods with my kid. Even my kid might have reservations about it. Then again, teenagers today seem to be more accepting of the gay and lesbian community. I have two teenage girls. They do not really frown on it at all. More so accept and live with it.

Well, we both know we wouldn't send our daughters out camping with a male leader......because of sexual issues and risk. It's a tough issue, having the same body parts, but same sex attraction.

Again, I have no problems with gays, but I do take issue that would cause sexual tension between children and adults.

[Tchocky]

Would those concerned be happy with a female scout leader in charge of male scouts?

(hypothetical mixed-gender scouting association)

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

What is your fear?

Why has homosexual become synonymous with Pedophile?

Dude, that is intolerant as hell. (imho)

I did not ask for your opinion. When I want it I'll give it to you.

Pedophile has noting to do with it. Two different things.

You can dispense with homophobic crap as well. My nephew is only gay. I enjoy holidays with him. He helped me move. My kids play board games with him. I support everything he does.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Would those concerned be happy with a female scout leader in charge of male scouts?

(hypothetical mixed-gender scouting association)

No, same issue. Don't get me wrong, we had scout leaders and scout mothers, but the scout mothers never came around in our tents, showers, etc.

If we're gonna have gay scout male leaders, then they should follow the same protocol as a scout mother. However, they play seperate rolls. The issue is simply sexual tension shouldn't be a part of this activity, because scouts often have to expose their sexuality.

To me this is obvious, I wouldn't let my daughter travel, camp or sleep with a male leader because of sexual tension, nor would I let my son do the same with a gay male or s8 female. Scouts should be as sexually neutral as possible.