Boeing 747 Cargo Plane Crashes in Afghanistan - Page 2

Stealhead · 05-01-13, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hottentot

True. The point I'm getting at is that it's quite different to die, say, after a prolonged disease or of "old age" so to speak than to be still perfectly fit and healthy, waking up in the morning and having no idea that you're not going to see the sunrise tomorrow.

It's the feeling of randomness that always stops me in these news.

The point of my post was to express that you do not know if you will see the next sunrise so you might as well enjoy your life and not allow petty things to hinder you.Excluding of course the person who does have some terminal illness that has a general idea that they will pass way.

I felt that my original post expressed this.

No worries we where saying the same thing just using different words.

Wolferz · 05-01-13, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

The point of my post was to express that you do not know if you will see the next sunrise so you might as well enjoy your life and not allow petty things to hinder you.Excluding of course the person who does have some terminal illness that has a general idea that they will pass way.

I felt that my original post expressed this.

No worries we where saying the same thing just using different words.

True words for sure.

That's why I'm living each and every minute as though it were my last because for me, it could very well be. But that can be said about every living, breathing entity on the planet.

Most people don't think about mortality until they come close to it.
Once you come face to face with it and accept it as inevitable, then you can truly start to live.

Those poor fellows in that plane were fortunate in the sense that it was one big rush before the lights went out. My main fear about death is lingering on the edge for a prolonged period of time and not being able to get up and do things.

05-02-13, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

WHO HIT THAT AUTO LANDING SWITCH?!?!!!

Congratulations, you hereby earned the ******* of the month award by trying to be oh-so-funny about a tragedy that ended 7 lives.

You should be very proud, really...

JU_88 · 05-03-13, 04:04 AM

Horrible video to watch

Looking at it, it appears his climb was much too steep, he loses all air speed and stalls horribly. Make sense what they are already suggesting; that one or more of those vehicles it was carrying became unsecured and rolled aft during take off, that would account for the tail being pushed down and the nose up.
That is one of the situtations that terrifies me most about flying in large airliners, if it stalls under 4000 feet or so and you're done for.

Schroeder · 05-03-13, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

That is one of the situtations that terrifies me most about flying in large airliners, if it stalls under 4000 feet or so and you're done for.

If it stalls because of unsecured cargo then you are done for at any hight.

From what I hear you can't actually stall one of those aircraft on purpose. The computers won't allow you to get to the maximum angle of attack (people with more knowledge might confirm/correct me).

Jimbuna · 05-03-13, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

That is one of the situtations that terrifies me most about flying in large airliners, if it stalls under 4000 feet or so and you're done for.

Don't go saying that, I'm flying in a few weeks time

JU_88 · 05-03-13, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

From what I hear you can't actually stall one of those aircraft on purpose. The computers won't allow you to get to the maximum angle of attack (people with more knowledge might confirm/correct me).

Not sure about that one, but in most cases when there is a 'stall' something (usually mechanically) has to go badly wrong first so neither pilot or computer can do much to prevent it.
e.g jammed elevator, engine faliure or anything else where the end result is that airspeed gets reduced to the point where the aircraft is effectivley 'dead weight'.

Julhelm · 05-03-13, 05:41 AM

Actually you can stall even FBW aircraft which is what happened to that Air France flight that went down in the South Atlantic a few years ago.

JU_88 · 05-03-13, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Don't go saying that, I'm flying in a few weeks time

The odds of dying in a plane crash are supposedly about 1 in 22.8 Million, where as its estimated that someone dies in a car accident every 12 minutes ...
So I think you should be fine Jim

Oberon · 05-03-13, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Don't go saying that, I'm flying in a few weeks time

Funny you should say that, they've booked me to pilot a flight to Turkey around then....

Jimbuna · 05-03-13, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

The odds of dying in a plane crash are supposedly about 1 in 22.8 Million, where as its estimated that someone dies in a car accident every 12 minutes ...
So I think you should be fine Jim

Aye but more people survive car crashes than those involved in plane crashes

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Funny you should say that, they've booked me to pilot a flight to Turkey around then....

In that case I'll have the seat that's on top of the black box

Herr-Berbunch · 05-03-13, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Julhelm

Actually you can stall even FBW aircraft which is what happened to that Air France flight that went down in the South Atlantic a few years ago.

That's what you get when you think you know better than the aircraft systems. Unfortunately that wasn't the only crew to either fight with each other (controls, not literally), or to keep pulling back despite the stall warnings.

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Originally Posted by JU_88

The odds of dying in a plane crash are supposedly about 1 in 22.8 Million, where as its estimated that someone dies in a car accident every 12 minutes ...
So I think you should be fine Jim

Jim is now setting off to get to the airport on foot.

Jimbuna · 05-03-13, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Jim is now setting off to get to the airport on foot.

Tis 16 miles...would kill me now

Dowly · 05-03-13, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Tis 16 miles...would kill me now

Better ease off the spam and start exercising then.

Synthfg · 05-03-13, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

Not sure about that one, but in most cases when there is a 'stall' something (usually mechanically) has to go badly wrong first so neither pilot or computer can do much to prevent it.
e.g jammed elevator, engine faliure or anything else where the end result is that airspeed gets reduced to the point where the aircraft is effectivley 'dead weight'.

That one looks like the cargo has shifted down to the tail, guessing something wasn't properly secured and with the steep climb out to avoid possible ground fire, it went crashing back, taking other stuff with it.

The sudden shift in weight made the stall inevitable and recovery impossible

05-03-13, 04:04 AM	#19
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Horrible video to watch Looking at it, it appears his climb was much too steep, he loses all air speed and stalls horribly. Make sense what they are already suggesting; that one or more of those vehicles it was carrying became unsecured and rolled aft during take off, that would account for the tail being pushed down and the nose up. That is one of the situtations that terrifies me most about flying in large airliners, if it stalls under 4000 feet or so and you're done for. Last edited by JU_88; 05-03-13 at 04:17 AM.

05-03-13, 05:41 AM	#23
Julhelm Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Icy North Posts: 693 Downloads: 189 Uploads: 0	Actually you can stall even FBW aircraft which is what happened to that Air France flight that went down in the South Atlantic a few years ago.