My fun for a day.

[Jimbuna]

Must be sad to live anywhere that is subject to such crimes on an almost ongoing basis that determines what changes to the law are necessary.....probably a worldwide epidemic but that is the world we live in today.

[Red October1984]

I certainly wouldn't advise to say nothing, but I'm not giving my ID or name, except first name, to any police offiicer just because they ask. Most the times they will run you, then bells and whistles go off all over the USA digging up all your info. Not only that, your name usually stays in a data base as suspect with some code attached to it.....no thank you.

Yes, most cops can read body language very well, so when you stand up for your rights and start stating statues most of them don't know, they realize you're one of those American arseholes that believes and stands up for their rights and leave you alone. However, youtube is full of videos of cops breaking the rights of others with no concern.

I wasn't saying that he was wrong in explaining that he had done nothing wrong. I'm saying that if a cop has you for something and they give a reason, don't object. I don't know if I would film cops. That's just me. If the cop had come up to me on private property and it went down like Armistead's situation, I would've asked what the officer was charging me with, I would explain what I was doing, and I would ask if there is any problem. If there was some sort of problem, well...I don't know. You people are older and wiser than me. I would expect you to know more about this than I do. I'm between Cybermat47 and Dowly on the age scale.

[Karle94]

Originally Posted by Armistead

What is sad today in the US, many states now allow "Search and ID" stops without probable cause. Most still require a cop to have suspicion, but really a mute point. Other states like mine, if a cop has reasonable suspicion, they can only question you and ask for ID, not demand it. They are allowed to do an outer pat of your person, but not go into wallet or pockets, inner searching. Course if they feel something suspect, they can pretty much do as they please.

Originally Posted by Armistead

Must be sad to live where you have to carry your papers and can be stopped and ID'ed without cause. Sadly, many states in the US are headed that way.

The fact is, I don`t live in America. I live in Bodø, Norway. In a city with a population of 48,000. Things don`t happen regularly, it just happens sometimes. I`ve been here for three years and I have never seen so much as a fight, much less stabbings, robberies etc. I didn`t have to show them my ID, and they have no right to demand it. I just thought that it would be a lot better to just cooperate and not be suspected of selling dope at the bus stop. I really want a career in the military and if I get a fine for the single smallest thing, the military will never in my lifetime let me in.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Karle94

The fact is, I don`t live in America. I live in Bodø, Norway. In a city with a population of 48,000. Things don`t happen regularly, it just happens sometimes. I`ve been here for three years and I have never seen so much as a fight, much less stabbings, robberies etc. I didn`t have to show them my ID, and they have no right to demand it. I just thought that it would be a lot better to just cooperate and not be suspected of selling dope at the bus stop. I really want a career in the military and if I get a fine for the single smallest thing, the military will never in my lifetime let me in.

I understood where you live, your post seem to imply they could stop and ID without cause. Yep, sometimes it's easier to waive your legal rights and just comply if you feel it will make things easier. If I had actually been in the public park, I probably would've acted differently and showed my ID.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Karle94

The fact is, I don`t live in America. I live in Bodø, Norway. In a city with a population of 48,000. Things don`t happen regularly, it just happens sometimes. I`ve been here for three years and I have never seen so much as a fight, much less stabbings, robberies etc. I didn`t have to show them my ID, and they have no right to demand it. I just thought that it would be a lot better to just cooperate and not be suspected of selling dope at the bus stop. I really want a career in the military and if I get a fine for the single smallest thing, the military will never in my lifetime let me in.

You and I are on the same page. In the US, especially big cities, crime is so bad that if I can help a cop by cooperating and clearing his suspicions, I will gladly do it. Sure, I'll show my ID if asked, why not?--he's not out to persecute me, he just needs to clear me off his search radar. If I start sassing him about my rights, he's going to wonder why I'm so defensive. I don't have anything to hide and I really do hope he can make dent in crime, so I'm not going to waste his time.

[em2nought]

I hate to be in a public rest room when kids are present, just that alone makes me think it's time to leave this county.

On a positive note the small town I work in on weekends disbanded their crooked police dept, and are now using the sheriff's office instead.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

You and I are on the same page. In the US, especially big cities, crime is so bad that if I can help a cop by cooperating and clearing his suspicions, I will gladly do it. Sure, I'll show my ID if asked, why not?--he's not out to persecute me, he just needs to clear me off his search radar. If I start sassing him about my rights, he's going to wonder why I'm so defensive. I don't have anything to hide and I really do hope he can make dent in crime, so I'm not going to waste his time.

I guess we're different, I feel the police are hired to to protect and enforce my rights, not break them. I am totally against "Search and ID", DUI checks, basically anything that gives the goverment the right to stop you, ID or search you without probable cause. It's not so much I'm against cops, but slowly we are losing our rights and no one seems to notice. Certainly cops can ask you anything, but you have the right to refuse, problem is you refuse, they take that as cause for reasonable suspicion, it's not.

Like last year, I came upon a DUI stop, waited in the "Search" line for 30 minutes. When I pulled up, the cop asked me "had I been drinking tonight"
I simply told him " I refuse to answer questions without cause." Yep, it made him mad and I was told to pull over. I was asked again, so I simply stated " If you have reasonable suspicion, feel free to arrest me, but I don't answer questions without cause" and refused my ID and wouldn't get out until ordered. He obviously couldn't smell anything, but wanted to put me through DUI test, which I refused. For one I've had several back operations and wouldn't pass, which I told him. He then wanted me to breathe in his tube, of course I refused. I bet I was surrounded by several cops then. It was only after being told if I didn't comply and they would tow my car that I complied after protest. After they deemed I wasn't drinking, one cop asked " why cause such a fuss over something so small when I wasn't drinking, I simply told him my rights to be secure in my body and property and to be forced to comply with test and answer questions without probable cause was no little matter to me.

People may not care, but slowly across this nation our rights are denied. Now over 20 states have "Search and ID" stops without probable cause. What will be the next generation, we're all forced to carry our papers, allow the government free will over our bodies and property without cause, throw the constitution out the window to make life easier for government? Sorry, it's been proven over and over most forces have a corrupt element, in some places entire forces are corrupt. These laws have led to much racial profiling and millions of tax payer dollars spent in paying lawsuits.