Open carry in Oklahoma - Page 2

Armistead · 11-03-12, 01:09 PM

Legal as it is in most states, the police will stop you, but nothing much they can do. Just watch open carry on youtube. I open carry during hunting season. It would be bad news for someone to rob the Waffle House 5 AM on a Sat. morning during deer season, everyone eating is armed.

geetrue · 11-03-12, 01:26 PM

What if the fat guy falls off of his stool and the Glock 22 slips out of its hard leather holster on to the dirty resturant floor ...

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...ok_bullets.jpg

with a fully loaded clip of hollow point bullets

How many will bail and get hurt in the melee ...

You have to think of these things ahead of time before you go out to eat at a pancake house in Oklahoma

Oberon · 11-03-12, 01:31 PM

Well, that's where gun training should come in, if Fat Man comes off his stool, then hopefully his Glock will have its safety on and have an empty chamber.
Of course, this increases the time required between draw and fire, but stops you from shooting yourself in the arse.

That being said, I am rather rusty on the nature of modern pistols, and being a Brit we don't get into that really, we prefer knives...

August · 11-03-12, 01:38 PM

At very worst the gun goes off once. It does not begin spraying a hail of bullets in all directions on it's own like them hollywierd guns. Also, since the guy is falling on it then chances are the only one who'd be hit is the tub of lard that dropped it.

Platapus · 11-03-12, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

hopefully his Glock will have its safety on

That being said, I am rather rusty on the nature of modern pistols, and being a Brit we don't get into that really, we prefer knives...

Just a nit to pick until it bleeds.

Glocks do not have a separate safety in the context of many other semi-automatic pistols.

The Glock's inherent safety features are a double action only design and firing pin lock. There is also a trigger locking latch which, in my opinion, does not really do much.

But in any case, in the traditional sense, Glocks do not have a manually operated safety. Everything is internal.

Being a Yank, we DO get in to this stuff.

Platapus · 11-03-12, 01:51 PM

It should be noted that high quality handguns are tested under these and more stringent drop tests.

Not firing when dropped is the rational behind locking firing pins: Two actions, 90 degrees apart in direction have to occur in the proper order and timing before the boom.

This is why police are naturally suspicious when people claim that they dropped their gun and "accidentally" killed their rich uncle/business partner/spouse...

Cheap handguns? Well that's another story.
I would not trust a manual safety on a cheap handgun at all.

geetrue · 11-03-12, 02:02 PM

Wow! I learned something today ... thak you Platapus
your better than google

I remember when I bought my tarus 44 special and asked where the safety was at.

The gun shop owner said, "Try to pull the trigger"

It was very hard to do due to the 9lb pull
then he said, "That's the safety"

Here's a state they need open and carry legally due to it is already carry.

1. Flint, Michigan
Violent crimes per 1,000: 23.4
Population: 102,357
2011 murders: 52
Median income: $22,672
Unemployment rate: 18.9%

Oberon · 11-03-12, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Just a nit to pick until it bleeds.

Glocks do not have a separate safety in the context of many other semi-automatic pistols.

The Glock's inherent safety features are a double action only design and firing pin lock. There is also a trigger locking latch which, in my opinion, does not really do much.

But in any case, in the traditional sense, Glocks do not have a manually operated safety. Everything is internal.

Being a Yank, we DO get in to this stuff.

Dammit man, will you stop picking my nits! That's the second you've got me on!

Gonna pass out from loss of blood at this rate!

But yeah, my knowledge of guns is pretty rusty, never fired anything bigger than an air rifle in reality, my Mother and Father have, but that was a long time ago when they were members of a gun club, so they probably know more than I about the practical matters around pistols. I do know a couple of vague things about the Glocks, their high rate of fire for one thing, but that's just from computer games which aren't exactly a substitute for the real thing

Platapus · 11-03-12, 02:14 PM

That's OK, as an American I don't have insight into things common in the UK: Roundabouts, Queuing, and being polite and stuff.

Oberon · 11-03-12, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

That's OK, as an American I don't have insight into things common in the UK: Roundabouts, Queuing, and being polite and stuff.

Touché

Sailor Steve · 11-03-12, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by August

At very worst the gun goes off once. It does not begin spraying a hail of bullets in all directions on it's own like them hollywierd guns. Also, since the guy is falling on it then chances are the only one who'd be hit is the tub of lard that dropped it.

I take it you've seen the best of "those" movies then?

Isaac Hayes and Jim Brown in the movie that made Keenan Ivory Wayans' career.

MH · 11-03-12, 03:29 PM

Hand gun i is 100% safe without safety.
Only moron would carry a gun with bullet in chamber in every day life.

TarJak · 11-03-12, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MH

Hand gun i is 100% safe without safety.
Only moron would carry a gun with bullet in chamber in every day life.

and there's none of them in Oklahoma is there?

CaptainHaplo · 11-03-12, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

My concern with open carry is that I am one baseball bat away from not only having my weapon stolen but also one baseball bat away from arming a criminal for free.

Walking around with an expensive high quality handgun in the open is like walking down the street with wads of money sticking out of your pocket. It may attract the wrong type of attention.

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Originally Posted by geetrue

What if the fat guy falls off of his stool and the Glock 22 slips out of its hard leather holster on to the dirty resturant floor ...

Anyone carrying needs to be responsibly carrying. That means not just training - but equipment. Retention holsters are an absolute MUST for any responsible open carrier.

Now regarding a baseball bat - if someone approaches me carrying a baseball bat - do you really think I am going to be not paying attention?

Training for how to carry is not just about how to draw rapidly or fire accurately. Every good training course will teach you - and drill you - on situational awareness.

If your jumped unaware by a guy with a baseball bat who can take your head off with it before you can react - its not going to matter if you are carrying openly, concealed or not at all.

Carrying - whether concealed or open (and I live in an open carry state) requires you to do so safely. That means not just you know how to use a firearm -but when and why you can legally do so - as well as HOW to keep yourself from having to. Its a right - AND when you exercise it - it becomes a RESPONSIBILITY.

Morts · 11-03-12, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

If your jumped unaware by a guy with a baseball bat who can take your head off with it before you can react - its not going to matter if you are carrying openly, concealed or not at all.

I think what was meant by that, is that it would be easier to single out who to rob if they were going for guns.

11-03-12, 01:26 PM	#17
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	What if the fat guy falls off of his stool and the Glock 22 slips out of its hard leather holster on to the dirty resturant floor ... http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...ok_bullets.jpg with a fully loaded clip of hollow point bullets How many will bail and get hurt in the melee ... You have to think of these things ahead of time before you go out to eat at a pancake house in Oklahoma __________________

11-03-12, 01:38 PM	#19
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,200 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	At very worst the gun goes off once. It does not begin spraying a hail of bullets in all directions on it's own like them hollywierd guns. Also, since the guy is falling on it then chances are the only one who'd be hit is the tub of lard that dropped it. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

11-03-12, 01:51 PM	#21
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,373 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	It should be noted that high quality handguns are tested under these and more stringent drop tests. Not firing when dropped is the rational behind locking firing pins: Two actions, 90 degrees apart in direction have to occur in the proper order and timing before the boom. This is why police are naturally suspicious when people claim that they dropped their gun and "accidentally" killed their rich uncle/business partner/spouse... Cheap handguns? Well that's another story. I would not trust a manual safety on a cheap handgun at all. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

11-03-12, 02:02 PM	#22
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Wow! I learned something today ... thak you Platapus your better than google I remember when I bought my tarus 44 special and asked where the safety was at. The gun shop owner said, "Try to pull the trigger" It was very hard to do due to the 9lb pull then he said, "That's the safety" Here's a state they need open and carry legally due to it is already carry. 1. Flint, Michigan Violent crimes per 1,000: 23.4 Population: 102,357 2011 murders: 52 Median income: $22,672 Unemployment rate: 18.9% __________________

11-03-12, 02:14 PM	#24
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,373 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	That's OK, as an American I don't have insight into things common in the UK: Roundabouts, Queuing, and being polite and stuff. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

11-03-12, 01:09 PM	#16
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Legal as it is in most states, the police will stop you, but nothing much they can do. Just watch open carry on youtube. I open carry during hunting season. It would be bad news for someone to rob the Waffle House 5 AM on a Sat. morning during deer season, everyone eating is armed.

11-03-12, 01:31 PM	#18
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Well, that's where gun training should come in, if Fat Man comes off his stool, then hopefully his Glock will have its safety on and have an empty chamber. Of course, this increases the time required between draw and fire, but stops you from shooting yourself in the arse. That being said, I am rather rusty on the nature of modern pistols, and being a Brit we don't get into that really, we prefer knives...

11-03-12, 03:29 PM	#27
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	Hand gun i is 100% safe without safety. Only moron would carry a gun with bullet in chamber in every day life.