Japanese Embassy under attack by the Chinese - Page 2

Oberon · 09-16-12, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

The size of China's nuclear arsenal? The one of only about 150-200 warheads? Considering that China's boomers have never even been to sea a 1st strike taking out their offensive missiles is still a possibility. Japan is also very interested in ABM, operating both the PAC-3 and SM-3. JAXA also has some very nice space launch vehicles that not only can be derived in to ICBMs but could put munitions in to orbit.

Yes, but any Japanese nuclear strike would have to be done with the support of the US, because a handful of warheads vs 200 warheads isn't going to work. Furthermore, all either side really needs to do to cripple the other, but in particular Japan, is HANE.

To be honest, even the possibility of war would cripple both sides economy, and both Japan and China have economies that are teetering on the edge anyway, Japans is circling around the toilet rim after the Tsunami, which is probably why both sides are making an issue of this island, to try and keep the populace distracted.

joea · 09-16-12, 11:20 AM

Well this posturing is schocking and unnecessary. On both sides, as Oberon pointed out there is still a worrying section fo the nationalist right wing in Japan that deny Japan's imperial wringdoing (found a fascinating clip on youtube that i hope to find again justifying the occupation of Korea)
As for China lovely of the government to keep stirring up this nationlist crud to divert people's attention from their own problems and the apparent government power sturggle going on. From enviromental issues to settling the Taiwan thing and some serious concerns with their economy.

Skybird · 09-16-12, 11:56 AM

All sides - Taiwan, China, Japan - are driven by nationalist forces over this. All sides have risen maximum demands that practically exclude any compromise. No side can now move back even just one small step without losing face, and without pissing its nationalists as well as major parts of its "normal" population.

I currently do not see this standoff ending quickly or easily. Since also fishing grounds and resources play a role, and a chance for a tri-national cooperation in exploiting these is practically ruled out, and since further the US cannot play the honest broker since it is closely tied with Japan and Taiwan, we probably must get used to the idea that the sabre rattling in this part of the world will be daily routine from now on. And could turn into a hot incident as well.

Red October1984 · 09-16-12, 01:35 PM

What is the deal here?

No embassy is safe anymore.

the_tyrant · 09-17-12, 07:36 AM

WA really bad development

Japanese firms have suspended operations
http://www.zdnet.com/cn/japanese-fir...na-7000004343/

Jimbuna · 09-17-12, 07:46 AM

Like some other wars in the past...it starts with trade disputes

Not being overly serious here before anyone takes a hissy fit.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,710 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	All sides - Taiwan, China, Japan - are driven by nationalist forces over this. All sides have risen maximum demands that practically exclude any compromise. No side can now move back even just one small step without losing face, and without pissing its nationalists as well as major parts of its "normal" population. I currently do not see this standoff ending quickly or easily. Since also fishing grounds and resources play a role, and a chance for a tri-national cooperation in exploiting these is practically ruled out, and since further the US cannot play the honest broker since it is closely tied with Japan and Taiwan, we probably must get used to the idea that the sabre rattling in this part of the world will be daily routine from now on. And could turn into a hot incident as well. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	What is the deal here? No embassy is safe anymore. __________________

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the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	WA really bad development Japanese firms have suspended operations http://www.zdnet.com/cn/japanese-fir...na-7000004343/ __________________ My own open source project on Sourceforge OTP.net KGB grade encryption for the rest of us

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,887 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Like some other wars in the past...it starts with trade disputes Not being overly serious here before anyone takes a hissy fit. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-16-12, 11:20 AM	#2
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Well this posturing is schocking and unnecessary. On both sides, as Oberon pointed out there is still a worrying section fo the nationalist right wing in Japan that deny Japan's imperial wringdoing (found a fascinating clip on youtube that i hope to find again justifying the occupation of Korea) As for China lovely of the government to keep stirring up this nationlist crud to divert people's attention from their own problems and the apparent government power sturggle going on. From enviromental issues to settling the Taiwan thing and some serious concerns with their economy.