Uncle Ted and the Fed

[yubba]

Originally Posted by vienna

Considering the Marines gave the boot to the guy who dissed Obama on Facebook, I don't think their gonna be booking Ted anytime soon, either...

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Yeah, they got to keep up appearences I guess, I was just hope-ing they weren't going to be a bunch of gut-less wonders on protecting the constitution.

[Stealhead]

That Marine violated an article if the UCMJ (military law) and he got what he deserved.Only a gutless person would willingly violate the laws that apply to them as a member of the US military.The military is not a democracy in can not be due to the nature of military command.

Article 134
"Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, all conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court."

In theory,
Article 89
Disrespect toward a superior commissioned officer. The President of the United Sates is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces therefore whom ever it may may be at any given time
they are considered a superior officer.

Some say that Article 88 applies but that article is directed at commissioned officers the Marine was an NCO.

On top of that there is a DOD directive that further outlines so that no one gets confused what one can and con not do from a political action standpoint as a military member
One of them is that they may not:
Publish or allow to be published partisan political articles, literature, or documents that they have signed, written, or approved that solicit votes for or against a partisan political party, candidate, issue, or cause.

http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/defense_eth...n/1344-10.html

A DOD directive is an order so he also disobeyed an order that Marine is an insult if you as a military member do not like the President then go vote against him.He claims that he did not know but that is bull they teach you the important UCMJ articles that differ from civil law in basic training.My advice to Mr. Stein is to look up insubordination in the dictionary.And I bet that he nailed lower ranking Marines for being insubordinate towards him.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Ted Nugent stated in a 1977 High Times magazine interview that he quit bathing, then urinated and defecated on himself before going in front of the draft board in order to 4-F out of Vietnam. Some patriot.

Originally Posted by August

Exactly. Now that he's clear of any personal danger he becomes a super patriot. He's little more than a hypocrite with a loud mouth.

I went to Vietnam, came back and protested against the war (after I was out, in case you wanted to invoke the UCMJ on me). I firmly believe the war was wrong and we never should have been there. If he took steps not to go at all, it doesn't make him a coward and it doesn't mean he doesn't love his country or that he's not a patriot. I've never been a fan, and I think he's quite over the top, but I also think that you both view yourselves as patriots, and where Vietnam was concerned I'm not. I also believe that the people who went to jail rather than be drafted were braver than myself, and the ones who went to Canada better than myself. Most of them weren't interested in saving their skins so much as refusing to participate in their country's immorality.

"In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last refuge of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first."
-Ambrose Bierce

[yubba]

Well, a man has to do what a man has to do, right, or wrong, then we see how much of a man he really is, when it goes south on him, and what he makes out of it, need alot more people too step up, or are we going sit down and shut up like we are told. Me I'm, not going to sit down and shut up, though many would like me too.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by yubba

Well, a man has to do what a man has to do, right, or wrong, then we see how much of a man he really is, when it goes south on him, and what he makes out of it, need alot more people too step up, or are we going sit down and shut up like we are told. Me I'm, not going to sit down and shut up, though many would like me too.

What ever if are referring to the Marine Mr. Stein he is obviously a coward becuase he is not man enough to say "Yes I did violate the UCMJ and I did it because ......." that would be a "manly"
way the spineless wimp way is to try and hide from what you did and attempt to seek protection from civil laws so the guy that goes AWOL will try to say that is not illegal in the civilian world to skip out on work.

As to Ted Nugent I put little faith into what some guy who is clearly in left field as it is nor what he told a some likely doped up High Times reporter in 1977 it almost certainly is not a true story.
I am not defending Ted I am simply saying that he told an interesting story in 1977.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I went to Vietnam, came back and protested against the war (after I was out, in case you wanted to invoke the UCMJ on me). I firmly believe the war was wrong and we never should have been there. If he took steps not to go at all, it doesn't make him a coward and it doesn't mean he doesn't love his country or that he's not a patriot. I've never been a fan, and I think he's quite over the top, but I also think that you both view yourselves as patriots, and where Vietnam was concerned I'm not. I also believe that the people who went to jail rather than be drafted were braver than myself, and the ones who went to Canada better than myself. Most of them weren't interested in saving their skins so much as refusing to participate in their country's immorality.

Steve I can respect those who served under protest as well as those who went to jail for their beliefs, but no way will I ever respect those who ran or lied or weaseled their way out of their obligation, thereby forcing someone else to take their place.

I especially won't respect shallow self promoters like Ted Nugent who'd crap their own pants not for lofty ideals but just to avoid putting themselves at personal risk. His subsequent self professed love for our boys and girls in uniform just rings hollow to me and i'm glad the Army cancelled his appearance.

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

What ever if are referring to the Marine Mr. Stein he is obviously a coward becuase he is not man enough to say "Yes I did violate the UCMJ and I did it because ......." that would be a "manly"
way the spineless wimp way is to try and hide from what you did and attempt to seek protection from civil laws so the guy that goes AWOL will try to say that is not illegal in the civilian world to skip out on work.

As to Ted Nugent I put little faith into what some guy who is clearly in left field as it is nor what he told a some likely doped up High Times reporter in 1977 it almost certainly is not a true story.
I am not defending Ted I am simply saying that he told an interesting story in 1977.

Well I hope you hold our leaders, with as much accountablilty, as you do with the pea ons.
I'd like a nickle for every time, I've heard," under the advice of my attorney I invoke my 5th admendment right". from some of these public officials

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by yubba

Well I hope you hold our leaders, with as much accountablilty, as you do with the pea ons.
I'd like a nickle for every time, I've heard," under the advice of my attorney I invoke my 5th admendment right". from some of these public officials

I never said the guy was pea on just that he violated a military law and then he tries to say that his rights where violated rights as a member of the military he does not fully have that is why the US military has it own laws the UCMJ if you violate an article(law) you can expect to face a court marshal(trial) if you are found guilty you will be punished.And the guy got off pretty light an other than honorable he will be able to appeal it in 6 months and they almost always give on appeal an honorable discharge so he did nor really loose that much and he served no jail time.

I almost half way suspect that maybe the guy wanted to get out of the Marines so he made the Facebook page just in the hopes of getting out and not having to complete the remaining time on his contract.

Plenty of people besides public officials plead the 5th and that is a little more honest than "I do not recall".

Honestly I do not think that you should ever fully trust any elected leader they all have some self interest and they are all lairs because they go around telling everyone that they are a friend and if you just vote for me I'll cut government spending then they tell another chump that they will make the military strong which means increasing government spending which makes them a lair because to one of those two people he just lied.Or Take Mitt Romney for example anyone who honestly thinks that he likes Ted Nugent or the music he plays or anything that he says must be slightly stupid he just got Ted to endorse him because Ted is more than slightly stupid and he knows that there are conservatives that like Ted Nugent(though I doubt that many that actually go out and vote do)