Luke a Jedi?

[Stealhead]

I always thought that Vader was Lukes ultimate test will he take the easy route and give in like his father or will he take the harder route and not.Obviously in Empire Luke took the hard route and in effect he attempted suicide(he could not have been sure of survival when he jumped to get a way from Vader) rather than the easy route of surrender.So to some extent at that moment he became a Jedi because of his choice at the most difficult moment when the easy route the dark side would have guaranteed survival and power he chose the Jedi path.

Then in Jedi The Emperor and Vader intent was to lore Luke with anger to the dark side and in the film it does seem at first that he is giving in but when he sees at last what Vader was and how he become that way he stopped his attack on Vader.This was so powerful a deed that it even broke Vader and he saved his son from death even though it cost him his live.That moment where Luke could have struck Vader down in anger was his ultimate test but he became a Jedi when he jumped away from Vader in Empire.

To me it is implied that once one becomes a Jedi they can still be tempted by the dark side at the same time one can become like Vader and deeply follow the dark side yet still redeem themselves to light by being selfless.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Believe master Yoda's words on his death-bed:

"Luke, when gone am I... the last of the Jedi will you be."

(SW-VI)

That's why you must stay in school! At some point, Luke must go back and get his degree or he'll be flippin' burgers for the rest of his life.

To a real master you listen will:

[Oberon]

It's all to do with midichl-

Yeah...no...I'm not going there...

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

I'm not so sure about this part. Luke would have had to known something of the Emperor, he was the leader of the enemy after all. Also was Vader his ultimate evil? Up till that point he just the man who Luke believed killed his father and chased him across the galaxy. After all Grand Moff Tarkin was the man who destroyed Alderaan, in fact Vader was just an errand boy and does what Tarkin demands.

Regardless of the political goals of the Alliance and its leaders, Luke included, when it comes to his role and purpose as a Jedi the emphasis is always on the need to confront and defeat Vader. That is the task that is set before him by Kenobi and Yoda, that's the reason he needs to become a trained Jedi. They do not present Vader to him as a stepping-stone to the eventual one-on-one defeat of the greater evil incarnate in the Emperor - in fact they make it seem like the entire fate of the rebellion and indeed the galaxy hinges on whether or not Luke can and will defeat Darth Vader.

Even in RotJ, when Luke tells Obi-wan that he can't kill his own father, Obi-wan responds with, "Then we've already lost." You could argue that Luke's inability and/or unwillingness to kill Vader would cut short any hope of him moving on to take out the Emperor as well, thus the good guys lose because of that, but it's never presented that way to Luke or to the viewer as far as I can remember.

How wonderful, though, that Luke's unwillingness to kill his father turns out to be the very thing that *does* lead to the destruction of the Emperor.

It's also interesting that IIRC it's Obi-wan who is fixated on the need for Luke to *kill* Darth Vader, while Yoda only talks about the need to *confront* him. I always suspected that it was because Obi-wan had failed to kill Vader himself when he had the chance, and knew how much suffering that failure brought to the galaxy. In my imaginary backstory that predates the prequels by many, many years... Obi-wan *chose* not to kill Vader when he could have because he still had faith that this former Padawan could turn from the dark side and be redeemed somehow. And then he was proven horribly wrong, and thus always saw killing him as the only solution. Yoda, methinks, was a bit wiser in this matter than Obi-wan... but then he'd had so many more centuries of experience in which to get that way.

[Osmium Steele]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

When RotJ first came out <snip>

Platapus, I envy you sir. She's a keeper.

[Garion]

My favourite Jedi IZ..



Cheers

Garion

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Garion

My favourite Jedi IZ..



Cheers

Garion

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

That was the soul in his eyes being absorbed back into the Force and he was resisting it to tell Luke what he needed to hear he told Luke he was a Jedi because Yoda knew that he was going to face a very difficult battle in the near future and needed to be told that he was in fact a Jedi.

Kinda like how Orlando Bloom promotes everyone to Knight just before the Saracens lay siege to Jerusalem in Kingdom of Heaven right?

[Stealhead]

That reminds me I need to pick a copy of Kingdom Of Heaven now that is cheaper.

Used to be it was $40,000.00 I saw it the other day on Bluray for $14.00 in a Target store.

[kiwi_2005]

Yur all wrong! Only men who stare at goats are true Jedi's....

[Stealhead]

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Osmium Steele

Platapus, I envy you sir. She's a keeper.

Well I certainly think so, but Platapus's significant other might not see it that way...

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

That reminds me I need to pick a copy of Kingdom Of Heaven now that is cheaper.

Used to be it was $40,000.00 I saw it the other day on Bluray for $14.00 in a Target store.

Mine is a DVD version I got in the bargain bin at Wall-mart for $5 or less. Is BlueRay really worth that much more? I've been thinking of making the plunge and get a player.

[Stealhead]

If you have a 1080p HDTV I would say yes on Bluray though you also have to have an HDMI cable to get the best picture and those can be pricey if you need several feet.

The other downside of Bluray newer films and very popular films are usually priced at $29.99 for me that is not a huge issue because I am fairly picky and only own films that I really enjoy so my collection is small.My friend on the other buys most every movie well he used to until his wife got onto him.

My PC also has a Bluray drive and it seems to me that Blurays look and sound a bit sharper than DVDs even though my monitor is not HD.

I compared on my PC a DVD and Bluray copy of Full Metal Jacket it sure looked sharper and sounded sharper on the Bluray.

I do not yet have the original Star Wars on Bluray and I wont buy them unless I can watch the originals not the ones they put out in late 90's with the added bits.

I do need to get a copy of Das Boot though again only if it allows to play German audio with subtitles otherwise nien.

[August]

Thanks for the info. My TV is only 780p and it's mounted at least 15 cable feet from the the player location so maybe i'll wait until prices come down some more.