Santorum brought home stillborn child...bat**** crazy alert.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Aaaah, the US press during the election season...nothing is sacred.

This. This reporter needs to look up the word "tasteless."

I'm sure you have your reasons for thinking so, but attacking him for bringing his dead child home for visitation instead of a funeral home is not in the slightest bit crazy and very much below the belt.

It's a personal matter, it's nobody's damn business what he does with his child. If that's how his family chose how to mourn, then good for him.

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr17.html

Ok but whats the news in about an Washington Post article from 2005?

Wow bubbles, you have really lost it.
Ask around your family, or even your friends if you have any and see how many have had a loss in the same way as these people and how many have acted in exactly the same way.

[Skybird]

"Frist, Lott and McConnell are not as passionate as Rick Santorum," says Sen. Arlen Specter, Santorum's fellow Republican from Pennsylvania. "He takes on more issues that have an emotional component."

A lot of people do, but Santorum creates and attracts more heat. It might be the pride he takes in his agitator's role. Or, simply, that he's an up-and-comer who knows he's an up-and-comer.

(...)

In conversations, Santorum tends to use out-of-favor terms, then correct himself in a way that calls attention to the infraction ("stewardess, or flight attendant, I should say"). "I'm supposed to go to a dinner at the American Indian museum," he says later. "Sorry, the Native American museum. I always mess that up."

Have not seen much of him over here, but what I saw, immediately gave me the imrpession of a person who is calculating how to stage-act best. That is not only not authetic behaviour then, but also means a person that is manipulative and does not reveal to you its real intention. Other parts of the WP story also give me the impression of him doing a lot of stage-acting only.

On the baby issue, I weigh the natural healthiness of doing mourning by a clear mind that allows the sadness being felt, against religious extremism and and the nut mindset of militant irrationalism that the abortion debate accompanies much stronger in the US than here in Europe. Santorum's stillborn maybe was beyond the developement phase before which you may even have problems to recognise that drop of gallert you hold on hour fingertip as something human at all, with 20 weeks, you can recognise a fetus as a human body indeed, and not just symbolically. I will not criticise him on his decision to take the dead body home, therefore. Critical I am of attempts to call every unspecific bunch of cellular mass as a "human" with a personality, a mind, emotions, perceptions, etc etc. . There is too much irrationality in the debate. And much of it comes as a varied consequence from that religious crazy idea of "be fruitful and multiply", man made by the image of a deity (which would be no compliment to the deity then...) and that man shall rule all life and see himself as the crown of creation. Such beliefs of course cause emotional sentiments that are not amongst the most modest there are. In this case, as said I will not criticise Santorum for his decision.

But I question his motives, both regarding the media and the public, and his living children.

To me, Santorum comes across as a great and unscrupulous manipulator, and a blender.

[Takeda Shingen]

I'm going with Bubblehead in saying that I think it is a bit odd too. Sure, he is in mourning, but I wouldn't be bringing the corpse home. I haven't been in his shoes, so I don't know how I would react, but this is just my guy reaction.

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I'm going with Bubblehead in saying that I think it is a bit odd too. Sure, he is in mourning, but I wouldn't be bringing the corpse home. I haven't been in his shoes, so I don't know how I would react, but this is just my guy reaction.

Do you really mean he is still mourning?
After all the posted News link is almost seven years old.

IMHO its far more interesting what the reason was to post a News article from April 2005 in this forum?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Kongo Otto

Do you really mean he is still mourning?
After all the posted News link is almost seven years old.

IMHO its far more interesting what the reason was to post a News article from April 2005 in this forum?

I meant that he was in mourning at the time. I am also aware that the news was from 2005. If you look to the left of this post, you will see that I live in Pennsylvania, USA. Rick Santorum was my US Senator for two terms. I am familiar with this story, familiar with Santorum and was familiar with it when he talked about it during his 2008 sentatorial campaign. I thought, with your permission of course, that I would sound off with my view.

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I meant that he was in mourning at the time. I am also aware that the news was from 2005. If you look to the left of this post, you will see that I live in Pennsylvania, USA. Rick Santorum was my US Senator for two terms. I am familiar with this story, familiar with Santorum and was familiar with it when he talked about it during his 2008 sentatorial campaign. I thought, with your permission of course, that I would sound off with my view.

Dont missunderstand me, i dont have a problem with the whole story.
Maybe its a bit odd but sometimes people do odd things, whats odd and whats not thats always in the eye of the beholder.

No need to ask me about anykind of permission, i dont have a problem with your view.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Kongo Otto

Dont missunderstand me, i dont have a problem with the whole story.
Maybe its a bit odd but sometimes people do odd things, whats odd and whats not thats always in the eye of the beholder.

No need to ask me about anykind of permission, i dont have a problem with your view.

The story is coming out because he is running for President of the United States. His detractors are trying to use scare tactics. The same thing happens to every candidate when he or she runs. That's American politics for you.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Kongo Otto

Do you really mean he is still mourning?
After all the posted News link is almost seven years old.

IMHO its far more interesting what the reason was to post a News article from April 2005 in this forum?

Does not matter how old it is, it happened and needs to be out there.Most sane people who maybe even considered him(I was one, sad to say, even though I despise his absurd religious views, I may have swallowed the lump in my throat and voted for him over Romney, we just can't run Romney against Barry) but this story, pointed out by a friend while were discussing things over a nice bottle of single malt, is just beyond disturbing.Normal civilized , rational people would not bring the dead body of a stillborn home, sorry.This man belongs in a padded white room, not the white house and does not even need to be close to the nomination or VP slot, which is what I think he has been angling for all along honestly, VP.

[Bilge_Rat]

I agree with Bubblehead1980 on this one. Everyone grieves in their own fashion, but bringing home the body of your dead baby and introducing it to a 4-year old and 6-year child as their "dead brother"? That shows a singular lack of common sense.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I agree with Bubblehead1980 on this one. Everyone grieves in their own fashion, but bringing home the body of your dead baby and introducing it to a 4-year old and 6-year child as their "dead brother"? That shows a singular lack of common sense.

I underlined part which troubles me too in this. I can accept that parents want to keep body nearby them - thats their business and if it helps them to recover then even better. What comes to that "introduction" part of Mr. Santorum's grieving process is what I think to be a bit crazy...

Everyone grieves in their own fashion,

So how can you complain then?

That shows a singular lack of common sense.

How is it any different than bringing them to a funeral home or even a cemetary?

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

How is it any different than bringing them to a funeral home or even a cemetary?

A funeral home or a cemetery is a place which a child will only visit on these kinds of occasion. You have time to prepare a child and to explain what death means. If the child does not feel comfortable getting close to the deceased, he can stay away.

The home is usually the place where a child feels the safest. Bringing a body into the home may have an unsettling effect on the child (obviously it depends on the child) and he may associate that memory with his home.

When I was 7, my cousin who was also 7 died. I can still vividly see the image of him in his coffin. Even though I played with him for years before, that is the only memory I have left of him. Death can have a powerful impact when you are young.

of course, that is only my opinion. This is probably the first time I have agreed with Bubblehead1980 on anything.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

A funeral home or a cemetery is a place which a child will only visit on these kinds of occasion. You have time to prepare a child and to explain what death means. If the child does not feel comfortable getting close to the deceased, he can stay away.

The home is usually the place where a child feels the safest. Bringing a body into the home may have an unsettling effect on the child (obviously it depends on the child) and he may associate that memory with his home.

When I was 7, my cousin who was also 7 died. I can still vividly see the image of him in his coffin. Even though I played with him for years before, that is the only memory I have left of him. Death can have a powerful impact when you are young.

of course, that is only my opinion. This is probably the first time I have agreed with Bubblehead1980 on anything.

haha well this is just such a no brainer, can't believe how many people on here disagree with me on this one.Ah well.