The Enduring Cult of Kennedy! - Page 2

vienna · 11-28-11, 01:30 PM

Let's see...

According to documents released after his death and accounts by reputable persons who were privy to the White House during the "Camelot" years, at the time of his death, Kennedy was actively pusuing an end to U.S. involvement in Vietnam; was moving forward on a plan to either rein in or eliminate the Federal Reserve Bank system; moving to end CIA infiltration of non-political humanitarian efforts such as the Peace Corps.; broadening the efforts of the U.S. Attorney-General, Robert Kennedy, to clamp down on organized crime and its links to the labor unions; pushing for accountability from the FBI (and J. Edgar Hoover); actively endorsing technological advances; attempting to break the "unholy alliance" of the "military-industrial complex"; and, had successfully faced down the USSR...

Not to shabby for less than three years efforts...

August · 11-28-11, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

Not to shabby for les than three years efforts...

Yeah well lets not confuse accomplishments with wish lists. I can say I'm pushing to end world hunger. That doesn't mean I should put it on my resume'.

vienna · 11-28-11, 02:02 PM

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Yeah well lets not confuse accomplishments with wish lists. I can say I'm pushing to end world hunger. That doesn't mean I should put it on my resume'.

These were more than just "wish lists"; these were active, on-going efforts, cut short by 11/22/63...

Gee, I wonder who benefitted most from that bullet?...

August · 11-28-11, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

These were more than just "wish lists"; these were active, on-going efforts, cut short by 11/22/63...

Gee, I wonder who benefitted most from that bullet?...

Well off the top of my head:
The Mob
The Castro regime
The storied Military-Industrial complex
L.B.J.
The Soviets
The Red Chinese

Take your pick...

Oh and FWIW my effort to end world hunger is both active and ongoing. I tossed a buck in the Salvation Army pot this weekend and will likely slip them more before the holiday season is over!

Betonov · 11-28-11, 04:10 PM

He even left his mark in our parts. The diesel engines he gave Tito as a gift are still operational after 50 years

Torplexed · 11-28-11, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

He even left his mark in our parts. The diesel engines he gave Tito as a gift are still operational after 50 years

Nice locomotive JFK. I wonder if the original stickers are still on the back.

Torvald Von Mansee · 11-29-11, 11:24 AM

Kennedy apparently read Barbara Tuchman's The Guns of August, which kept him mindful of doing Stupid Things during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Not escalating the crisis and possibly preventing a nuclear World War III would easily make him the greatest President, ever, IMHO. Of course, you can't prove a negative, etc.

geetrue · 11-29-11, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sidslotm

I remember coming home from school in 63 finding mum glued to the radio listening to the news about the death of President Kennedy.

Kennedy was a light to the free world at a time of despair after being devistated by global conflict, and looked like starting over with Russia. He brought hope to people around the world of better things to come.

I remember going on watch at midnight on November 22nd 1963 and hearing the torpedomen talk about how good a president Kennedy had been.

I said, "What do you mean saying that he was a good president"?

That's when they told me that he had been shot and died in Dallas.

I was just 19 years old, a sonarman on the USS Salmon SS-573 ten miles off the coast of Russia watching for test firing of their missiles so our spooks could copy the code the missile sent back.

We all thought it was over that Russia had done the dirty deed and that we were going to war.

vienna · 11-29-11, 02:06 PM

I was just less than a month shy of my 13th birthday on 11/22/63; I was in class, in a Catholic school, when the Mother Superior came on the public address system to announce, first, Kennedy had been shot. She asked us to pray for him. A short while later, she came back on to announce Kennedy had died of his wounds. School was dismissed and I went home to spend the next few days watching all that took place afterwards.

Five years later, I was a volunteer in the Bobby Kennedy presidential campaign in Los Angeles during the California Primary in 1968. At the last Bobby Kennedy public function in Los Angeles, before the California Primary, at the Olvera Street Plaza downtown, I got to meet and shake hands with Bobby. I remember how small he seemed but also how so much power and confidence flowed from him. I also noted that he had a bit of an air of sadness about him and I later wondered if, perhaps, he felt it should have been John meeting the crowds and accepting the accolades...

Gerald · 11-29-11, 03:39 PM

While I was very young, I remember the pictures in front of me,

Jimbuna · 11-29-11, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by geetrue

I remember going on watch at midnight on November 22nd 1963 and hearing the torpedomen talk about how good a president Kennedy had been.

I said, "What do you mean saying that he was a good president"?

That's when they told me that he had been shot and died in Dallas.

I was just 19 years old, a sonarman on the USS Salmon SS-573 ten miles off the coast of Russia watching for test firing of their missiles so our spooks could copy the code the missile sent back.

We all thought it was over that Russia had done the dirty deed and that we were going to war.

Now I find that quite fascinating...living history

11-30-11, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by geetrue

I remember going on watch at midnight on November 22nd 1963 and hearing the torpedomen talk about how good a president Kennedy had been.

I said, "What do you mean saying that he was a good president"?

That's when they told me that he had been shot and died in Dallas.

I was just 19 years old, a sonarman on the USS Salmon SS-573 ten miles off the coast of Russia watching for test firing of their missiles so our spooks could copy the code the missile sent back.

We all thought it was over that Russia had done the dirty deed and that we were going to war.

An amazing testinmony, that must have been a worrying for Americans. I know there was much concern in the UK, but the missiles where't in Ireland, thanks.

Platapus · 11-30-11, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

Barbara Tuchman's The Guns of August,

Should be required reading on college. Pretty much any of Tuchman's books should.

Gerald · 11-30-11, 06:48 PM

Interestingly, tell more.....about your experience.

11-28-11, 01:30 PM	#16
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Let's see... According to documents released after his death and accounts by reputable persons who were privy to the White House during the "Camelot" years, at the time of his death, Kennedy was actively pusuing an end to U.S. involvement in Vietnam; was moving forward on a plan to either rein in or eliminate the Federal Reserve Bank system; moving to end CIA infiltration of non-political humanitarian efforts such as the Peace Corps.; broadening the efforts of the U.S. Attorney-General, Robert Kennedy, to clamp down on organized crime and its links to the labor unions; pushing for accountability from the FBI (and J. Edgar Hoover); actively endorsing technological advances; attempting to break the "unholy alliance" of the "military-industrial complex"; and, had successfully faced down the USSR... Not to shabby for less than three years efforts... Last edited by vienna; 11-28-11 at 01:42 PM.

11-29-11, 11:24 AM	#22
Torvald Von Mansee Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CA4528 Posts: 1,693 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Kennedy apparently read Barbara Tuchman's The Guns of August, which kept him mindful of doing Stupid Things during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Not escalating the crisis and possibly preventing a nuclear World War III would easily make him the greatest President, ever, IMHO. Of course, you can't prove a negative, etc. __________________ "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you" - Leon Trotsky

11-29-11, 03:39 PM	#25
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	While I was very young, I remember the pictures in front of me, __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

11-30-11, 06:48 PM	#29
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Interestingly, tell more.....about your experience. __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

11-28-11, 04:10 PM	#20
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	He even left his mark in our parts. The diesel engines he gave Tito as a gift are still operational after 50 years

11-29-11, 02:06 PM	#24
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I was just less than a month shy of my 13th birthday on 11/22/63; I was in class, in a Catholic school, when the Mother Superior came on the public address system to announce, first, Kennedy had been shot. She asked us to pray for him. A short while later, she came back on to announce Kennedy had died of his wounds. School was dismissed and I went home to spend the next few days watching all that took place afterwards. Five years later, I was a volunteer in the Bobby Kennedy presidential campaign in Los Angeles during the California Primary in 1968. At the last Bobby Kennedy public function in Los Angeles, before the California Primary, at the Olvera Street Plaza downtown, I got to meet and shake hands with Bobby. I remember how small he seemed but also how so much power and confidence flowed from him. I also noted that he had a bit of an air of sadness about him and I later wondered if, perhaps, he felt it should have been John meeting the crowds and accepting the accolades...