What's up with the PC gaming industry? - Page 2

Arclight · 09-01-11, 06:58 PM

And then some.

gimpy117 · 09-01-11, 08:04 PM

I however, am getting fed up with the DLC push. It seems you now need to buy a $50 dollar game and THEN spend more just to make it decent. I Love "Rise of Flight" but I have spent Loads on DLC planes because 777 Studios either refuses or "can't afford" (which is probably true) to make new planes for free.

Out of all the aircraft in the game you get 4 if you buy the game. and there are like 12 of them

Sailor Steve · 09-01-11, 08:59 PM

McBee, you confuse me. I thought you hated all things PC.

frau kaleun · 09-01-11, 09:07 PM

At this point I really prefer to download games, although I don't use Steam - I bought SH3 and 4 directly from the Ubi store. In the case of SH3, though, I liked it so much that I eventually bought a hard copy from Amazon just because. I may do the same with 4 if I ever get around to playing it and like it enough. Of course the fact that SH3, at least, can be had so cheap these days made the decision to buy a "backup" hard copy pretty easy even if I never use it.

OTOH I don't buy many games and play even fewer than I buy, so I'm not a good representation of the PC gamer market, lol.

nikimcbee · 09-02-11, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Niki,

if you are fixiated on wanting an American Footbal sim, I cannot help you, but if you happen to want a general team sports theme to play with, consider NBA 2K11 (or the upcoming 2K12). It is by a very huge margin the best sport sim I have ever played. Fan-tas-tic. Realistic, with unsurpassed atmosphere and great playability. Never have felt that much like being just one part of a team, and the need to fit in. PES looks and feels sterile, compared to this.

It's that time of year. I do own the MLB2k11 and I have zero interest in basketball.

nikimcbee · 09-02-11, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

I however, am getting fed up with the DLC push. It seems you now need to buy a $50 dollar game and THEN spend more just to make it decent. I Love "Rise of Flight" but I have spent Loads on DLC planes because 777 Studios either refuses or "can't afford" (which is probably true) to make new planes for free.

Out of all the aircraft in the game you get 4 if you buy the game. and there are like 12 of them

same here. I think it's their marketing strategy to keep the game bringing in money. I bought all of the planes I like for RoF. I wonder how many people have purchased all of the planes?

gimpy117 · 09-02-11, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

same here. I think it's their marketing strategy to keep the game bringing in money. I bought all of the planes I like for RoF. I wonder how many people have purchased all of the planes?

you play? no way. I've got all but the Breueaut ot whatever it's spelled. oh and the 0/400

i bet the old guard mostly has all of them

nikimcbee · 09-02-11, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

you play? no way. I've got all but the Breueaut ot whatever it's spelled. oh and the 0/400

i bet the old guard mostly has all of them

I like the early war planes the most. I play once in a while. I'm kinda getting back into it again. What I really want is a good Vietnam era sim or Korean War air combat sim.

gimpy117 · 09-02-11, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I like the early war planes the most. I play once in a while. I'm kinda getting back into it again. What I really want is a good Vietnam era sim or Korean War air combat sim.

i wanna see korea actually.

and if you're on I'll fly wing with you any day. I too like the E.III and the DH2

Anthony W. · 09-02-11, 05:45 AM

What I've noticed is that people just don't want to deal with the "complexities" of a computer.

Even tho computer games and sims are almost ALWAYS more immersing, people just don't want to take the time of actually setting up a good system

Krauter · 09-02-11, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony W.

What I've noticed is that people just don't want to deal with the "complexities" of a computer.

Even tho computer games and sims are almost ALWAYS more immersing, people just don't want to take the time of actually setting up a good system

Well if you think about it, it's almost cheaper to go with a console (f.ex.: PS3 which costs what, 450 for a high end model?) compared to buying an entire new setup for a gaming rig which can be quite costly.

Arclight · 09-02-11, 12:52 PM

To be fair though, the concept of a gaming rig costing tons of money doesn't really hold true anymore, and is becoming less so with each generation.

My current CPU cost 250,- at the time, and wasn't even top of the line then. Now you can get an i5 2500k for 200,-, which is both significantly faster than my Q9550 and higher up the ladder to boot. Same deal with my current GTX460 compared to my old 8800GTS.

On top of that, PC offers a lot more; I'd say the higher price for the system is justified. And games are cheaper because there are no platform fees, which is a nice bonus and might actually make it cheaper in the long run depending on how much games you buy.

Krauter · 09-02-11, 01:11 PM

I'm definitely not saying PCs aren't worth their weight and then some, I'd much rather shell out money for a new PC then for a new Console, but from a purely gaming point of view, aren't consoles cheaper as a new game system (PlayStation, PS2, PS3 for example) comes out every what, 10 years or so? Compared to PC upgrades being required as games get more and more graphically and power intensive to use? SH5 being one example?

Highbury · 09-02-11, 01:41 PM

I know what you mean when it comes to Madden 12 McBee. Yes there are alot of PC games still through DLC but EA Sports has given it up all together.

I played the EA hockey alot more then the football, but back in the 90's the PC version was the premier version and the consoles (which at the time were NES and Sega Genesis) got a massively scaled back version. Worse graphics, no ability to run a full season, etc. Then a few years ago I read that Madden would be discontinued on PC, and NHL and FIFA titles would no longer be developed for PC. So while the consoles got new game engines and features, the PC versions just got new rosters for an old game. For the 2011 year they cancelled all PC sports titles.

The weak excuse I was told was that the PC games are more modable. So someone with year X can download rosters and graphics to make it virtually the same as year Y. Something an Xbox cannot do. I am not sure if that is true, and really it doesn't matter if it is. The fact is that PC sports gaming is indeed dead or dying.

Catfish · 09-02-11, 02:00 PM

Hi,
it's not only steam, but most games can only be downloaded, as well the trend for those cheap shoot-'em-up games is heading for online gaming ..

I really miss the lackluster stores and look around whether the new sim has already hit the shelf .. and to carry it home and open the package .. and if god loves me there comes big printed manual with it.
*sigh*

09-01-11, 06:58 PM	#16
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	And then some. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

09-01-11, 08:04 PM	#17
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	I however, am getting fed up with the DLC push. It seems you now need to buy a $50 dollar game and THEN spend more just to make it decent. I Love "Rise of Flight" but I have spent Loads on DLC planes because 777 Studios either refuses or "can't afford" (which is probably true) to make new planes for free. Out of all the aircraft in the game you get 4 if you buy the game. and there are like 12 of them __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

09-01-11, 08:59 PM	#18
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	McBee, you confuse me. I thought you hated all things PC. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

09-02-11, 05:45 AM	#25
Anthony W. Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Central Indiana Posts: 850 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	What I've noticed is that people just don't want to deal with the "complexities" of a computer. Even tho computer games and sims are almost ALWAYS more immersing, people just don't want to take the time of actually setting up a good system __________________ Sunken Mustangs Proud Ford Mustang owner "Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!" - Admiral David Farragut Run silent - run deep - keep the baffles clear - targets front and center. Private pilot and history buff

09-02-11, 12:52 PM	#27
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	To be fair though, the concept of a gaming rig costing tons of money doesn't really hold true anymore, and is becoming less so with each generation. My current CPU cost 250,- at the time, and wasn't even top of the line then. Now you can get an i5 2500k for 200,-, which is both significantly faster than my Q9550 and higher up the ladder to boot. Same deal with my current GTX460 compared to my old 8800GTS. On top of that, PC offers a lot more; I'd say the higher price for the system is justified. And games are cheaper because there are no platform fees, which is a nice bonus and might actually make it cheaper in the long run depending on how much games you buy. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

09-01-11, 09:07 PM	#19
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	At this point I really prefer to download games, although I don't use Steam - I bought SH3 and 4 directly from the Ubi store. In the case of SH3, though, I liked it so much that I eventually bought a hard copy from Amazon just because. I may do the same with 4 if I ever get around to playing it and like it enough. Of course the fact that SH3, at least, can be had so cheap these days made the decision to buy a "backup" hard copy pretty easy even if I never use it. OTOH I don't buy many games and play even fewer than I buy, so I'm not a good representation of the PC gamer market, lol.

09-02-11, 01:41 PM	#29
Highbury The Old Man Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: 51.557, -0.102 Posts: 1,311 Downloads: 177 Uploads: 0	I know what you mean when it comes to Madden 12 McBee. Yes there are alot of PC games still through DLC but EA Sports has given it up all together. I played the EA hockey alot more then the football, but back in the 90's the PC version was the premier version and the consoles (which at the time were NES and Sega Genesis) got a massively scaled back version. Worse graphics, no ability to run a full season, etc. Then a few years ago I read that Madden would be discontinued on PC, and NHL and FIFA titles would no longer be developed for PC. So while the consoles got new game engines and features, the PC versions just got new rosters for an old game. For the 2011 year they cancelled all PC sports titles. The weak excuse I was told was that the PC games are more modable. So someone with year X can download rosters and graphics to make it virtually the same as year Y. Something an Xbox cannot do. I am not sure if that is true, and really it doesn't matter if it is. The fact is that PC sports gaming is indeed dead or dying.

09-02-11, 02:00 PM	#30
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,773 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Hi, it's not only steam, but most games can only be downloaded, as well the trend for those cheap shoot-'em-up games is heading for online gaming .. I really miss the lackluster stores and look around whether the new sim has already hit the shelf .. and to carry it home and open the package .. and if god loves me there comes big printed manual with it. sigh