U-505, Chicago - Page 2

Anthony W. · 07-27-11, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

I'd be grateful it didn't receive the same treatment as U-534...sliced into four sections.

Not quite that, about a 12x12 hole cut in the side, tho. I was dismayed. I'd much rather have climbed down the hatch. I looked at the lady like, "Listen, I probably know more about how this boat operated than you ever will or will care to (thanks to reading all the posts here). I wanna go down the damn hatch!"

AVGWarhawk · 07-27-11, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony W.

Not quite that, about a 12x12 hole cut in the side, tho. I was dismayed. I'd much rather have climbed down the hatch.

Grandpa and Grandma do not want to climb down the hatch. The boat would lose a lot of visitorship if access was limited. It's all about money when it comes to warship museums. Visitorship brings much needed money.

Growler · 07-27-11, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Grandpa and Grandma do not want to climb down the hatch. The boat would lose a lot of visitorship if access was limited. It's all about money when it comes to warship museums. Visitorship brings much needed money.

This.

As devastating as it is to the old boats, there's just no other alternative if you want John Q. Public, his parents, and his kids to have access to the boat, and therefore, keep the boat around a little longer.

Hottentot · 07-27-11, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony W.

I looked at the lady like, "Listen, I probably know more about how this boat operated than you ever will or will care to (thanks to reading all the posts here). I wanna go down the damn hatch!"

Ah. Thank you. You just made me remember why working on research and not having to deal with the visitors can be a paradise on Earth compared to the alternatives.

mookiemookie · 07-27-11, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony W.

I looked at the lady like, "Listen, I probably know more about how this boat operated than you ever will or will care to (thanks to reading all the posts here). I wanna go down the damn hatch!"

Stay classy.

Hottentot · 07-27-11, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Stay classy.

Hey, staffs need amusement too.

Edit: And not to turn this into flaming, two simple questions to Anthony and anyone, really:

1: Do you think the only information the museum, therefore the staff, has about an object, is the thing written on the posts?

2: How many self proclaimed experts visit (on average) per week?

mookiemookie · 07-27-11, 01:27 PM

One of the life lessons I've learned is to never be too sure of your own knowledge. It breeds closed mindedness and invariably there's always someone out there that knows more about a subject than you do, and you may not realize it at first.

Anthony W. · 07-27-11, 03:28 PM

Never said I actually said it lol

I did think it tho haha

I would only make a scene in public if it was an emergency.

Oh, couldn't they have 2 tours (one of which you get to go down the hatch), or have placed the hole somewhere else? I'd have much rather seen a set of stairs going down into it from the deck...

AVGWarhawk · 07-27-11, 03:44 PM

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Oh, couldn't they have 2 tours (one of which you get to go down the hatch), or have placed the hole somewhere else? I'd have much rather seen a set of stairs going down into it from the deck...

From a insurance/liability standpoint it is not recommend. There is plenty of compartments on the Torsk that do not have access for visitors. The Torsk has stairs to enter and exit. What she does not have is a nice building surrounding and protecting her from the elements like U-505. However, it is kind of cool to see her in the water which is her natural habitat.

Anthony W. · 07-27-11, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

From a insurance/liability standpoint it is not recommend. There is plenty of compartments on the Torsk that do not have access for visitors. The Torsk has stairs to enter and exit. What she does not have is a nice building surrounding and protecting her from the elements like U-505. However, it is kind of cool to see her in the water which is her natural habitat.

If there were ever a fund to move her to an enclosed aquarium, I'd donate every dime I could afford. Same with the Requin. And I'd lobby congress to authorize the USS Bowfin to sail under her own power - and give her her authorization to dive.

History is something that is definitely worth my hard earned dollar. I'd even put off my car projects for it.

AVGWarhawk · 07-27-11, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony W.

If there were ever a fund to move her to an enclosed aquarium, I'd donate every dime I could afford. Same with the Requin. And I'd lobby congress to authorize the USS Bowfin to sail under her own power - and give her her authorization to dive.

History is something that is definitely worth my hard earned dollar. I'd even put off my car projects for it.

The funds to do such things are only dreams of the volunteers that keep them preserved. For the Torsk, getting a Fairbanks working again would be great but other things on the boat need much more attention than getting a engine started. Plus, if the Torsk dived it would be her last. The induction system in the sail is rusted open about an inch or two. Furthermore, when the US Navy hands a vessel over for museum use they basically take a chainsaw to the wiring in every compartment. In short, they do their best to assure the vessel would not function like it was made to function. As a machine of war. Just dry dock alone was millions for cleaning and paint. Growler will attest to that! We work for the same cause concerning the USS Torsk. Growler is much more involved now Torsk and the Lighthouse Chesapeake.

vienna · 07-27-11, 06:01 PM

Another aspect of public access is the issue of Americans with Daisabilities Act (ADA) requirements. Any organization, public or private, that accepts public tax funds or grants is required to comply with ADA standards for access by all segemnts of the public. To deny access, aside from the spectre of individual suits, can result in the loss of public tax funds.

Growler · 07-27-11, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

...getting a Fairbanks working again would be great but other things on the boat need much more attention than getting a engine started.

Well... um... about that...

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

... Just dry dock alone was millions for cleaning and paint. Growler will attest to that! We work for the same cause concerning the USS Torsk. Growler is much more involved now Torsk and the Lighthouse Chesapeake.

JR had the duty during the last drydock period, but thanks to him, I was able to make an appearance at Sparrows Point for a few hours one Saturday morning with many of the TVA in attendance; I didn't pick up where he left off until Jun 6 of this year. Constellation's unexpected wood rot repair bought Torsk a few extra weeks in the dock; rough estimate on the drydocking is ~$1M. Some of the costs were defrayed by donations of services and dock time - General Ship Repair helped out a lot - and a LOT of the work done on both ships was done by Museum staff rather than the yardbirds.

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Originally Posted by vienna

Another aspect of public access is the issue of Americans with Daisabilities Act (ADA) requirements. Any organization, public or private, that accepts public tax funds or grants is required to comply with ADA standards for access by all segemnts of the public. To deny access, aside from the spectre of individual suits, can result in the loss of public tax funds.

There are exceptions to ADA, most notably around historic vessels; reasonable attempts at accommodating disabled persons must be made, provided they do not irrevocably alter or destroy historic fabric. For Torsk to be made handicapped accessible in her current configuration is impossible to do without significantly destroying the vessel itself.

Growler · 07-27-11, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hottentot

Ah. Thank you. You just made me remember why working on research and not having to deal with the visitors can be a paradise on Earth compared to the alternatives.

This.

Neptunus Rex · 07-27-11, 08:19 PM

Unfortunately, no pics. Museum staff would not allow it, don't know why. Only small groups allowed under staff excort for a guided tour. Tour guide gave a basic description of each space but the bulk of the tour (and audio effects) was describing the conditions at the time of aquistion by the Task Force that attacked her, to surfacing, order to scuttle and abandon ship and arrival of US Navy forces on board.

All the instruments and controls have the original German tags. Not even English translations. But I have enough knowledge of subs to figure most out. No time to wander though. Get in, go through, get out. They run the groups through too quickly.

I thought the Gato/Balao were small (compared to modern SSN's). The Type IXC hull was only about 12 feet max width.

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Anthony W. Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Central Indiana Posts: 850 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	Never said I actually said it lol I did think it tho haha I would only make a scene in public if it was an emergency. Oh, couldn't they have 2 tours (one of which you get to go down the hatch), or have placed the hole somewhere else? I'd have much rather seen a set of stairs going down into it from the deck... __________________ Sunken Mustangs Proud Ford Mustang owner "Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!" - Admiral David Farragut Run silent - run deep - keep the baffles clear - targets front and center. Private pilot and history buff

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Neptunus Rex Frogman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 294 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Unfortunately, no pics. Museum staff would not allow it, don't know why. Only small groups allowed under staff excort for a guided tour. Tour guide gave a basic description of each space but the bulk of the tour (and audio effects) was describing the conditions at the time of aquistion by the Task Force that attacked her, to surfacing, order to scuttle and abandon ship and arrival of US Navy forces on board. All the instruments and controls have the original German tags. Not even English translations. But I have enough knowledge of subs to figure most out. No time to wander though. Get in, go through, get out. They run the groups through too quickly. I thought the Gato/Balao were small (compared to modern SSN's). The Type IXC hull was only about 12 feet max width. __________________ Neptunus Rex sends "In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president." A.C. 11-5-08

07-27-11, 06:01 PM	#27
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,718 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Another aspect of public access is the issue of Americans with Daisabilities Act (ADA) requirements. Any organization, public or private, that accepts public tax funds or grants is required to comply with ADA standards for access by all segemnts of the public. To deny access, aside from the spectre of individual suits, can result in the loss of public tax funds.