US Army gives away the Beret

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Yea its getting out of control:

Soon our troops will be looking like this:

makeshift chainmail!

[August]

Originally Posted by privateer

I earned my AirBorne Mushroom the honest way.
I also trained with SF and Rangers and did the goofy Guy thing as they trained.
I was APPALLED when the whole Army went to the Black MushRoom!
I felt, and still feel,
it was a slap in the face to many true Heros that paid a price none of the
regular Army Units could ever stand up to.
I only hope that the change requires that all Service Persons that DID NOT earn a Ranger Patch can NOT wear a Black Beret ever again!

Give respect where respect is due!

Unfortunately no. The black beret remains part of the new Class A Dress Blue uniform. The Rangers will keep their tan ones I guess. Not that I imagine they'd want the black one back either.

So you're a Paratrooper Privateer?

[Lord Justice]

Originally Posted by privateer

Give respect where respect is due!

Here here, I too was in disgust when my regiment was amalgamated into 16th air assault, we always had our own individuality. ex 2para then 4para.

[August]

As much as I like to tease them about being Dopes on a Rope the truth of the matter is that Air Assault is still Airborne just as much as their predecessors in the Glider Infantry earned their place among the Parachute Infantry Regiments in the WW2 Airborne Divisions.

Originally Posted by August

So you're a Paratrooper Privateer?

Yes Mate, I am a ParaTrooper.
I left the service in the mid '80's.
But once a ParaTropper?
ALLWAYS a ParaTrooper!
It's that one step away from the rest of ManKind that makes us what We are.
It's the training and resolve to complete a mission no matter what that sets us apart.
My life was changed in a way that I can not describe once I became AirBorne!
I am Blood Winged! I Am AirBorne!

[August]

So there are three of us Paratroopers on the board then? Excellent! That's enough for a fire team!

Last I remember?
A Fire Team was 4 Troopers.
Each are more devistating then any regular Army Unit due to training and dedication.
They will complete any given Mission even if only one remains alive!
AirBorne Units from the U.S.A. are one of the top feared Forces in the World today for a very good reason.

[August]

Originally Posted by privateer

Last I remember?
A Fire Team was 4 Troopers.
Each are more devistating then any regular Army Unit due to training and dedication.
They will complete any given Mission even if only one remains alive!
AirBorne Units from the U.S.A. are one of the top feared Forces in the World today for a very good reason.

Maybe you're right. It's been a long time.

Hey remember this?

The Rule of the LGOPs


After the demise of the best Airborne plan, a most terrifying effect occurs on the battlefield. This effect is known as the rule of the LGOPs. This is, in its purest form, small groups of pissed-off 19 year old Paratroopers. They are well-trained, armed to the teeth and lack serious adult supervision. They collectively remember the Commander's intent as "March to the sound of the guns and kill anyone who is not dressed like you..." or something like that. Happily they go about the day's work.....

[Stealhead]

The Coast Guard for some reason liked the USAF blues so much that they went to them.

I recall back in 97' for the USAF 50th they allowed us to wear for a whole week any old USAF uniforms so long as they had our name tapes and correct (for that time period) ranks that was pretty cool some guys wore old WWII Air Corps/AAF stuff but many worn the old Tans that they got rid of in 68 or so.

The Tans where so popular afterwords that they even listed it on USAF uniforms surveys later in the lists of "desired" uniforms one of them was asking if you would like to see a return of the tan dress uniform and many people said yes according to the results that they printed out later but so far they have never gone back to them.

I think it has to do with politics though.I recall when before they went to the current USAF emblem (which I think is horrid) they did many surveys one that they e-mailed to every AF members .mil address asking questions about how they felt about the old emblem and the new one.Many of the questions where very vague in nature which was obviously done so that the new emblem would win out. Most guys liked the old emblem and wanted to see a new design of similar style because the new emblem in no way had esprit de corps of the old days of WWII AAF which the old emblem did.In my shop most everyone disliked the new emblem.I was in another shop across base and here is this NCO telling his troops that they like the emblem that is how it goes they already decided and they make you think you have a choice in things that represent your branch of service to the public same goes for the uniforms it just turned out that the brass at my shop was more liberal on that subject.

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

The Coast Guard for some reason liked the USAF blues so much that they went to them.

I recall back in 97' for the USAF 50th they allowed us to wear for a whole week any old USAF uniforms so long as they had our name tapes and correct (for that time period) ranks that was pretty cool some guys wore old WWII Air Corps/AAF stuff but many worn the old Tans that they got rid of in 68 or so.

The Tans where so popular afterwords that they even listed it on USAF uniforms surveys later in the lists of "desired" uniforms one of them was asking if you would like to see a return of the tan dress uniform and many people said yes according to the results that they printed out later but so far they have never gone back to them.

I think it has to do with politics though.I recall when before they went to the current USAF emblem (which I think is horrid) they did many surveys one that they e-mailed to every AF members .mil address asking questions about how they felt about the old emblem and the new one.Many of the questions where very vague in nature which was obviously done so that the new emblem would win out. Most guys liked the old emblem and wanted to see a new design of similar style because the new emblem in no way had esprit de corps of the old days of WWII AAF which the old emblem did.In my shop most everyone disliked the new emblem.I was in another shop across base and here is this NCO telling his troops that they like the emblem that is how it goes they already decided and they make you think you have a choice in things that represent your branch of service to the public same goes for the uniforms it just turned out that the brass at my shop was more liberal on that subject.

Yeah the army did the same thing a few years ago, asking the troops what they wanted to see in a new class A uniform.

Overwhelmingly they voted for the chocolate brown WW2 version and the Class B khakis that went out of service in the late 1970's. The army came back and dismissed the results saying that khaki was impossible to reliably match and the chocolates were too hot for the summer and that they would instead go with a vomit green shirt and keep the rest of the bus drivers uniform.

I don't understand why did they even bothered asking.

I remember the 'Little Group of ParaTroopers' rule very well!


It was drummed into my head just below the main rule.
The Mission comes first and must be completed even if you are the only remaining Trooper!
That was how it went in the early '80's anyway.
I enlisted April 1st 1980 at 24 years old.
I was called 'Old Man'.


So you, Hanomag, and myself are ParaTroopers that I know of for sure.
I met Hanomag at Neal's at the 2008 SubSim meet.

And what I remember of a fireteam was 3 Troopers in the shape of an arrow head with a guideing fireteam leader as the shaft of that arrow head.
That fireteam leader (at least in my old Unit) would never step ahead of the other 3 Troopers for fear of Friendly Fire.
Not cause we were bad shots, but mostly cause he knew we would take him out.
I actually got wrote up a few times dureing War Games for 'killing' that Richard!

[August]

Originally Posted by privateer

So you, Hanomag, and myself are ParaTroopers that I know of for sure

4Para too as our British contingent.

[Weiss Pinguin]

Uh oh boys, I think we'd better keep these 4 under careful watch, there's no telling what one paratrooper might do, let alone 4 of them together









(also thank you all for your service )

When does the USN get back their dungarees and white hats?
Now they look more like janitors for a baseball team than sailors.

And dress shoes?
I guess cheap and glossy plastic is cheaper than real leather.
Those guys must have some stinky feet.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

When does the USN get back their dungarees and white hats?
Now they look more like janitors for a baseball team than sailors.

And dress shoes?
I guess cheap and glossy plastic is cheaper than real leather.
Those guys must have some stinky feet.

My best friend who was a CTR says they looked more like convicts than sailors in what he had to wear.

It gets stupider...

When he manned the rails coming in to Norfolk, they made him where a blue construction helmet. I had to rip on him for that saying he must be sailing for the UN Navy and not the US Navy.

But they are not going back to dungarees and white hats, they are going for blue or gray cammo BDU now.