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06-05-11, 05:23 PM

An interesting take.

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Its about the ridiculous policies set by overprotective smothering parents to ensure that kids are imprisoned and kept on surveillance 24/7.

So its the parents fault.....

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The schools think they get to control EVERYTHING that Kids do. ABSOULTELY not. Thats up to the parents, and the parents alone.

If its the parents fault how is it the schools fault? If its u[p to the parents and the parents alone and the parents want zero tolerance at the schools then it cannot be the schools fault for doing what the parents insist on.

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I've lost pretty much all faith in the public school system.

When it comes to matters of discipline and student conduct do you think the private school system has less or more strict rules than the public schools do?

CaptainMattJ. · 06-05-11, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

An interesting take.

So its the parents fault.....

If its the parents fault how is it the schools fault? If its u[p to the parents and the parents alone and the parents want zero tolerance at the schools then it cannot be the schools fault for doing what the parents insist on.

When it comes to matters of discipline and student conduct do you think the private school system has less or more strict rules than the public schools do?

thats the thing. Obviously not every parent is overprotective. So a parent who set out to get these policies enforced has no problem with the school doing it.

The school and the overprotective parents are for the policies. The regular parents who arent ruling their child with an iron fist are the ones who would be, for the most part, opposed to these policies.

It should be left up to the parent for these kinds of things. While the overprotective parents get what THEY want, youll be forcing it down the other parents throats without their say in it.

nikimcbee · 06-05-11, 07:04 PM

I find all this stuff funny, because who has an iron grip control over the US school system?

Anthony W. · 06-05-11, 08:56 PM

I'll vouch for all of your accounts here. I was breathalysed at a football game once. Before I even entered the stadium.

There are cameras everywhere in school - and most of them are hidden. I got into the command center once (was carrying some cleaning supplies for the janitor), and noticed that the visible cameras are placed to almost corral students into areas where the cameras are placed. Yet, they still can't figure out who's punching holes in the wall.

We have random drug dog searches. The officers are armed. They WILL question you if you are seen in the hall during the searches.

There are armed guards and airport style searches at dances.

They have a "holding chamber" where searches can be conducted off camera. Rumors abound about what has happened in there.

I really am outraged. If I went into a full rage I would swear every other word for 3 pages.

Whats worse is the teachers. Once the teachers have tenure, then they quit caring. Period. Only the new teachers are good - and even so - the teachers are undereducated. I actually have to correct my teachers multiple times a day. Hell, look up all the reports of misinformation in text books. I've re written half my history book making corrections. Also, they teach you what, not who, when, how, why, or what if.

It is more horrible than can be written.

Takeda Shingen · 06-05-11, 11:34 PM

I taught in the K-12 education system for 10 years. I am proud of my work.

06-06-11, 02:18 AM

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It is more horrible than can be written.

A student complaining about how horrible school is and how unfair it all is and how dumb the teachers are.....a story as old as the first school

@MattJ

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So a parent who set out to get these policies enforced has no problem with the school doing it.

Apart from those parents who supported the idea but never thought that their little angel would do something bad, who then kick up a fuss when it happens as those disciplinary measures they like are only good for other peoples children.

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It should be left up to the parent for these kinds of things.

Unfortunately not. Take a few of those examples.
Dispruptive behavior in class....is that for the school to deal with or should that be done at home? For that matter how can it be done at home?
Illegal drugs on school premesis.....is that parents or schools who must enforce that?
Weapons on school grounds......parents???????Are they supposed to search their own children at the school door every time their child walks through it?
How about that great one about disruptive parents at school functions? Should the other parents join together and beat the crap out of the ignorant pricks at the ceremony or should it be the school that deals with it.

Onkel Neal · 06-06-11, 02:23 AM

Haha, kids don't have it that bad. When I was in school, if you misbehaved, the teacher beat you with a board in front of the whole class. I received corporal punishment many times, up to age 16 in school. I bet none of these kids has ever had "licks".

the_tyrant · 06-06-11, 03:15 PM

i heard somewhere the whole idea of high school was to keep young people off the streets, to prevent them from causing trouble...

so yeah, same thing

what concerns me though, is the amount of violence, theft, and drugs you find in an average high school

draconian? well almost all my friends have had something stolen from them at school. and the amount of drugs and violence at school is astonishing

Platapus · 06-06-11, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Haha, kids don't have it that bad. When I was in school, if you misbehaved, the teacher beat you with a board in front of the whole class. I received corporal punishment many times, up to age 16 in school. I bet none of these kids has ever had "licks".

And what would happen if you had complained to your parents about it?

I know what happened in my family when I complained... once.

Seth8530 · 06-07-11, 02:42 PM

Im currently a sophomore and college and i can vouch for the overzealousness of the school.

One time i was in class and a cell phone rang ( we arnt allowed to even have them in our backpacks at school) and no would confess who's phone it was.. So the SRO came in and searched every last one of us for phones. They confiscated about 30 of them from a class of 33.

Cameras are everywhere, heaven forbid you accidentally bring a knife to school.

One time their was a gun scare at the school and people were texting outside of class speading the news that something was supposed to go down. When i got to school on the day the gunman was supposed to be there the intercom rang and they announced that they would prosecute anyone who was spreading the news of it thru texting.

krashkart · 06-07-11, 03:13 PM

Anyone else here think that maybe the human race is suffering from a collective psychosis?

Betonov · 06-07-11, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

And what would happen if you had complained to your parents about it?

I know what happened in my family when I complained... once.

Corporal punishment was illeal when I went to high school (5 years ago) and still I had my shares of slaps and ear pulling. Never reported, didn't felt the need and my moher would slap me 10 times that if I complained. She always says, if he deserved it he deserves another one so he remembers it, if he dind't deserve it, well, he got it for something before

tater · 06-07-11, 04:12 PM

Private school outcomes come from selecting for parents that have a "culture" of education, nothing more.

When the student population includes a substantial % of kids who do not respect, admire, or aspire to become well educated (a set of values they get (or don't get) from their parents), the school goes down the toilet.

It's not the teachers. It's not the crazy rules. Dumb stuff like this are schools trying to take over all aspects of life for kids that have virtually no decent parental input.

Platapus · 06-07-11, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

\Never reported, didn't felt the need and my moher would slap me 10 times that if I complained. She always says, if he deserved it he deserves another one so he remembers it, if he dind't deserve it, well, he got it for something before

Are we Brothers?

06-07-11, 09:06 PM

Perhaps one problem with public schools, is the word "Mandatory".

When something is sold as a "Right", and converted to a "Requirement", it deserves to be questioned.
Schools have gone way beyond the localaly controled, non-publicly funded institutions, that they once were.

When public servants believe the public is there to serve THEM, it's time to get rid of them, and the politicians who empowered them.

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06-05-11, 08:56 PM	#19
Anthony W. Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Central Indiana Posts: 850 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	I'll vouch for all of your accounts here. I was breathalysed at a football game once. Before I even entered the stadium. There are cameras everywhere in school - and most of them are hidden. I got into the command center once (was carrying some cleaning supplies for the janitor), and noticed that the visible cameras are placed to almost corral students into areas where the cameras are placed. Yet, they still can't figure out who's punching holes in the wall. We have random drug dog searches. The officers are armed. They WILL question you if you are seen in the hall during the searches. There are armed guards and airport style searches at dances. They have a "holding chamber" where searches can be conducted off camera. Rumors abound about what has happened in there. I really am outraged. If I went into a full rage I would swear every other word for 3 pages. Whats worse is the teachers. Once the teachers have tenure, then they quit caring. Period. Only the new teachers are good - and even so - the teachers are undereducated. I actually have to correct my teachers multiple times a day. Hell, look up all the reports of misinformation in text books. I've re written half my history book making corrections. Also, they teach you what, not who, when, how, why, or what if. It is more horrible than can be written. __________________ Sunken Mustangs Proud Ford Mustang owner "Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!" - Admiral David Farragut Run silent - run deep - keep the baffles clear - targets front and center. Private pilot and history buff

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Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Haha, kids don't have it that bad. When I was in school, if you misbehaved, the teacher beat you with a board in front of the whole class. I received corporal punishment many times, up to age 16 in school. I bet none of these kids has ever had "licks". __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

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Seth8530 Captain Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tennessee Posts: 546 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Im currently a sophomore and college and i can vouch for the overzealousness of the school. One time i was in class and a cell phone rang ( we arnt allowed to even have them in our backpacks at school) and no would confess who's phone it was.. So the SRO came in and searched every last one of us for phones. They confiscated about 30 of them from a class of 33. Cameras are everywhere, heaven forbid you accidentally bring a knife to school. One time their was a gun scare at the school and people were texting outside of class speading the news that something was supposed to go down. When i got to school on the day the gunman was supposed to be there the intercom rang and they announced that they would prosecute anyone who was spreading the news of it thru texting. __________________

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krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	Anyone else here think that maybe the human race is suffering from a collective psychosis? __________________ sent from my fingertips using a cheap keyboard

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Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I taught in the K-12 education system for 10 years. I am proud of my work.

06-06-11, 03:15 PM	#23
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	i heard somewhere the whole idea of high school was to keep young people off the streets, to prevent them from causing trouble... so yeah, same thing what concerns me though, is the amount of violence, theft, and drugs you find in an average high school draconian? well almost all my friends have had something stolen from them at school. and the amount of drugs and violence at school is astonishing

06-07-11, 04:12 PM	#28
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Private school outcomes come from selecting for parents that have a "culture" of education, nothing more. When the student population includes a substantial % of kids who do not respect, admire, or aspire to become well educated (a set of values they get (or don't get) from their parents), the school goes down the toilet. It's not the teachers. It's not the crazy rules. Dumb stuff like this are schools trying to take over all aspects of life for kids that have virtually no decent parental input. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

06-07-11, 09:06 PM	#30
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Perhaps one problem with public schools, is the word "Mandatory". When something is sold as a "Right", and converted to a "Requirement", it deserves to be questioned. Schools have gone way beyond the localaly controled, non-publicly funded institutions, that they once were. When public servants believe the public is there to serve THEM, it's time to get rid of them, and the politicians who empowered them.