Silent Hunter 6

[SteelViking]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Math, and truth, don't matter to someone whose only interest is to start a flame war.

Zedi, is one of our top modders. If anyone was to start a flame war I don't think he would. And, if a top modder starts a flame war, I think he has every right to in the first place

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by SteelViking

And, if a top modder starts a flame war, I think he has every right to in the first place

I hope this was a joke. And as far as flaming goes, this is still far from flame war. Though his latest post isn't helping.

Guys, just let it go. Sheesh. No one was comparing SH3 and SH5 before the first uncalled for defensive reaction for just daring to mention the former. How about we stick to the topic?

[SteelViking]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

I hope this was a joke. And as far as flaming goes, this is still far from flame war. Though his latest post isn't helping.

Guys, just let it go. Sheesh. No one was comparing SH3 and SH5 before the first uncalled for defensive reaction for just daring to mention the former. How about we stick to the topic?

That was a joke, didn't mean to derail the topic. But, I am serious, Zedi is one of the best modder SH5 has, so what he says should be respected, not misunderstood as simple flaming.

Cheers folks,

[Zedi]

No need for that SteelViking, thanks Im expressing my feelings like a regular player and I see no flame war. Actually Im kinda upset to see that if someone defend SH5 and point out the truth is called a flamer, but those who bash it are free to walk.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by SteelViking

Zedi, is one of our top modders. If anyone was to start a flame war I don't think he would. And, if a top modder starts a flame war, I think he has every right to in the first place

I agree about him being a top modder, but then so is Privateer, and look what happened when he stated his "opinion". Zedi regularly decries "SH3 lovers" attacking SH5, but he never misses a chance to take a shot at SH3. So while everyone has a right to an opinion, expressing the opinion that the other game sucks is begging for a fight.

Originally Posted by Zedi

Im expressing my feelings like a regular player and I see no flame war. Actually Im kinda upset to see that if someone defend SH5 and point out the truth is called a flamer, but those who bash it are free to walk.

No. No one is free to walk. We've tried to keep it clean, and nail the ones who do nothing but attack. Legitimate negatives are important, and welcome.

My iphone games have better graphics than SH3.

That is a simple flame, and the cause of my reaction.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Math, and truth, don't matter to someone whose only interest is to start a flame war.

Cigar-worthy post !

[SteelViking]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I agree about him being a top modder, but then so is Privateer, and look what happened when he stated his "opinion". Zedi regularly decries "SH3 lovers" attacking SH5, but he never misses a chance to take a shot at SH3. So while everyone has a right to an opinion, expressing the opinion that the other game sucks is begging for a fight.


No. No one is free to walk. We've tried to keep it clean, and nail the ones who do nothing but attack. Legitimate negatives are important, and welcome.


That is a simple flame, and the cause of my reaction.

I am a pretty close friend with Privateer, and I was very disappointed with everything that went on.

OK OK, whats a flame war . peace

[Zedi]

Steve, tbh I was expecting a reply that could keep my mouth shut regarding the graphics.. something like
"dude, you said that you were playing WoW for 6 years, how is that you consider SH3 graphics obsolete but not WoW's graphics?!"
Thats a quality argument

Yes, my iphone games have better graphics than.... *running away and hiding*

[Caustic]

I doubt it will ever happen unless someone else picks up the copyrights, Ubisoft lost alot of interest in it because of low sales. It would be nice to watch it continue evolving.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Zedi

Yes, my iphone games have better graphics than.... *running away and hiding*

Okay, I'll apologize, mainly because, while you tick me off from time to time, you have a great sense of humor about it. While your comparison may or may not be true, it sounded like a slam to me, and I'll stand by my statement in that regard. And SH3 really was released in March 2005, only six years ago.

To be honest, I know a lot of the people who still prefer SH3 over SH5, and for most of them the reality is that SH5 still doesn't offer what they're looking for. I can see why people who have dedicated themselves to improving SH5 wish that others would do so too, but the flip side is that a lot of the people who still mod SH3 don't have the skills to create Type IXs for SH5, and are waiting for someone else to do that before they make the switch. For them to work on SH5 now would be fruitless, so they stick with what they know. It's not about being locked into something, or being stuck in the past. I have no reason to play SH5 until I can start in August 1939 in a Type II, so what's the point?

It's true that some people have tried SH5, didn't give it a chance, and said bad things. That was was also true of SH3 and SH4. It will happen. On the other hand, why did the Beatles break up? Huh? What does that have to do with anything? Well, I'll tell you what it has to do with SH5. You see, the Beatles didn't break up because of Paul, or because of John, or even because of Yoko. The Beatles broke up because creative people are insecure people. They are also self-centered, arrogant people. This means that creative people are offensive people, and are also easily offended people. They tend to take things very personally and lash out at anyone who shows the slightest disrespect for their babies.

The people who ask what happened lately and say these used to be nice polite forums weren't here for the start of Beery's Real U-Boat mod and the great 'Deck-Gun Rate-Of-Fire' debates. They weren't here for the great mod wars of 2006. There is still a great deal of secret hostility over that one, and sometimes it becomes not-so-secret. And it won't ever stop until creative people stop being arrogant, pushy, hyper-sensitive jackwagons. And that will never happen, because it can't. It's in the genes, and to eliminate one would destroy the other. I know this, because after all these years I still play in a band, and though we've grown and matured over those years it still crops up from time to time, and it still gives me ulcers.

You see, I'm not creative. I am intelligent and fairly well educated, but in forty years of playing music I've written maybe a dozen songs. I allegedly have some "mods" for SH3. They consist of converting some talented peoples' sound mod for SH2 into a format that works with SH3, and years of patiently cataloging ships so SH3 Commander will have lots of historical names to work with. A lot of dedication and hard work, sure, but no real talent involved. So I sit on the fringes and cheer for mods, and try to help where I can, but I also watch when the talented people take it personally when other talented people, or untalented people, say anything negative about their favorite subject, and react in a totally inapropriate manner. Sometimes someone will say something negative about this game or that, and it's a legitimate complaint about something that needs fixing, I'm right there with them. And every time someone says something mocking or dismissive about this game or that, well, my stomach hurts. I take every such comment personally, because I like all the games.

So I'll apologize for overreacting, but I'll continue to do so in every forum I see it happen in.




Oh, and concerning SH6, since each incarnation of Silent Hunter seems to get worse (speaking of the out-of-the-box release of course), and seems to require more and more fixing by the people who should be improving the games, not fixing them, why would anyone want there to be another one?

[Zedi]

I agree on one thing, the SH3 game engine is far more superior and better polished that SH5. Now. But 6 year ago was in the same state as SH5. Then tons of official patches were released, millions of hours spent by fans to fix and improve the game. And to play it at this level is not so easy as insert the cd and hit Play.

Actually, few months ago Ive tried to install SH3 and see how is that GWX as I quit playing the game before the addon was released. Bad luck.. I completely forgot that my copy of SH3 is the one with the Starforce. So I spent a LOT of time to find the patch for the Starforce removal, then try to gather some of the most used mods, including GWX. After countless errors and W7 screaming and refusing to let the game to run... Ive quit.

So welcome to SH.. where in order to play the game, you need a LOT of patience to install the game and the tons of mods required to play it. Seriously, you have to love this genre very much in order to play this game. Is why I hate Ubi and I consider them the worst video game company in the world along with EA. No wonder that they never won a battle with the other companies in the branch, they are always last in the top.

Anyway, back on topic.. I find it hard to understand why I cannot express my feeling regarding the SH3 graphics without being accused of flaming. Those who consider the SH3 graphics to be good, they need a reality check. Also, I cannot understand why people still mod that game instead of join forces and work out SH5. I just cannot imagine playin SH3 for the next 5-10 years, because its crystal clear there will be no SH6. And moding SH5 need a lot of manpower, we are just not enough. And ex gwx crew members hitting and accusing us that we steal stuff is just making things worst and slow down the progress.

And Steve.. drop the ego and buy SH5 You could help us a lot here. Fighting against the DRM is a lost cause.. is like saying "I will not get out of my house until the neighbor will not remove the pink paint from his house". If Ubi consider this drm crap to be the perfect tool to protect their products, you cant fight it. Is their right to do whatever they want in order of protecting their products. Same as their right to show us the middle finger when we ask for help or patches. And DRM is a joke compared to what Starforce was... the most stupid thing ever invented.

Cheers

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Zedi

I find it hard to understand why I cannot express my feeling regarding the SH3 graphics without being accused of flaming. Those who consider the SH3 graphics to be good, they need a reality check

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Zedi

I find it hard to understand why I cannot express my feeling regarding the SH3 graphics without being accused of flaming. Those who consider the SH3 graphics to be good, they need a reality check.

You don't see it? It's not what you say, it's how you say it. That last comment is a perfect example of the flaming you deny.

Also, I cannot understand why people still mod that game instead of join forces and work out SH5.

I thought I explained that. Even if I owned SH5 I wouldn't play it, because of the reasons I mentioned.

And Steve.. drop the ego and buy SH5 You could help us a lot here. Fighting against the DRM is a lost cause.. is like saying "I will not get out of my house until the neighbor will not remove the pink paint from his house".

Ego has nothing to do with it. I made a decision based on my concept of principle - if it's wrong it's wrong, no matter how much someone else likes it. As I've said, if Sony required me to log into their servers every time I wanted to listen to a CD I had purchased, even from the discount rack, I wouldn't buy their products either. I could just as easily accuse you of selling out because for you pleasure is more important than right or wrong; but I won't, because I don't really believe that. My principles and beliefs are my own. I don't expect anyone else to follow them, but I also will not compromise them for something as trivial as a game.

If Ubi consider this drm crap to be the perfect tool to protect their products, you cant fight it. Is their right to do whatever they want in order of protecting their products. Same as their right to show us the middle finger when we ask for help or patches. And DRM is a joke compared to what Starforce was... the most stupid thing ever invented.

Just because I can't fight something doesn't mean I shouldn't try, or at least oppose it in my own way. As I've said before, if I'd had a clue at the time what Starforce was I probably wouldn't have bought SH3 either. That argument won't work with me.

[Zedi]

Well, when the drm will be dropped for good, the SH5 graphics will be already outdated

Anyway.. back to work. Nice to chat with you Steve, always a pleasure