Illegal to talk to a Police Officer?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I dont think the guy was arrested.

its my opinion that he was restrained until the business of the traffic stop was concluded and then was released back into the wild from whence he came

If that was the case John I sincerely hope he learned something from the experience but somehow I doubt it.

[Platapus]

As soon as the police had the right to video record what they do, I think the citizens had a right to video record what they do.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by August

Well the passenger back talked the cop. Being alone and facing a potential three on one situation the cop restrained him and called for backup. I don't see that rising to the level of wrongful arrest.

there was no cause for the cop to yell at him though. He offended him. The cop is professional, he has no right to be barking "hey you shut your mouth". If I said that to a customer I'd be out of a job that same day. Just because he's a cop does not mean he's able to disrespect people.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

there was no cause for the cop to yell at him though. He offended him. The cop is professional, he has no right to be barking "hey you shut your mouth". If I said that to a customer I'd be out of a job that same day. Just because he's a cop does not mean he's able to disrespect people.

That nails it on the head.
The cops SHOULD be professional and tbh the cop lost it in the video.
Just because you're a cop, doesn't mean you can talk down to a citizen. I've seen this many many times.
So many double standards with cops.
The cop in the video was not professional, if he really did feel threatened then there are more professional and respectful ways to handle a situation.
Being a cop gives you a license to lose your cool apparently.

[Ducimus]

Seems to me, this thread is inspired by a hatred of anyone with authority, by folks who don't like being told what to do - by anybody. Most cop hatred threads are.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Seems to me, this thread is inspired by a hatred of anyone with authority, by folks who don't like being told what to do - by anybody. Most cop hatred threads are.

That may be a convenient characterization for you to make, but it is hardly accurate. One can voice concerns about police activities without being a cop hater.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

If that was the case John I sincerely hope he learned something from the experience but somehow I doubt it.

yeah - he probably didnt learn a thing.

I'm not sure, but i think the police have a right to restrain a person who is interfering with official matters or otherwise being belligerent even if a crime has not necessarily been committed. - not really placing them under arrest - but just taking them out of the equation so to speak.

then again - im no expert on the subject

[Ducimus]

Ive seen way too many of these threads. Particuarlly on fark.com. It's always about "fight the power!". Or those damn dirty cops.

If i was a cop, and some jackwagon asked me, "Mind if i video tape this?", my first thought would be, "Oh great.. one of THESE guys. Mr OMG I'm being Oppressed". My reply would probably be, "No sir, i have enough supervision on my dash game as it is. Everything is already being recorded for posterity". My wanted reply would be, "What, so you can go whine on youtube when you get home? I don't F'ing think so!".


Best way to deal with cops? Recognize they are a properly constituted authority, and theres always going to be someone who can tell you what to do in society, be it your boss at work, or law enforcement. You don't have to respect the man, but you do have to respect the position. Anyone ex military can relate to that. Comply with the directions your given, and don't back talk. Be honest, be polite, don't pop off with an attitude.

If there's a problem, just get his badge number with the date and time of the incident and bring it to the courts. All three of those bits of information will be enough. Date, time, and badge number. Back talking, being a smart ass, or in particular non complying will get you into hot water. Just don't do it, or you'll end up as the butt of a joke on the next episode of a cop reality TV show on Spike network that I like to watch so much.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Seems to me, this thread is inspired by a hatred of anyone with authority, by folks who don't like being told what to do - by anybody. Most cop hatred threads are.

Far from it, the reason for this thread was not to incite and drag out of the woodworks all the cop haters on this forum.
The issue i have with cops (or persons in authority) is when that person or persons incite double standards. In this case, cops, who are meant to enforce laws and regulations, which may well have been the case here, but, in a professional and curteous manner.
Like i said, you're a cop, and you think you can talk to someone like that?
You can see it in the tone of the cop's voice that he lost his cool and that he acted without some sort of professionalism.

Originally Posted by Platapus

That may be a convenient characterization for you to make, but it is hardly accurate. One can voice concerns about police activities without being a cop hater.

Correct.
I call it pigeon-holeing.
Lumping all the people into one category.

[Ducimus]

When what Ive read , reads like every other cop hatred thread i have read, your damn right its gonna get pigeon holed.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

. My reply would probably be, "No sir, i have enough supervision on my dash game as it is. Everything is already being recorded for posterity".

But that's the problem the video is not recorded for posterity, it is recorded to protect the cop and to further the prosecutor's case.

I wonder how many times when the video shows something in favour of the defense or something that shows impropriety on the cop's fault that something happens to the tape?

You can't have too much evidence in a case.

This gives me a chance to reverse the oft told phrase: If the cop has done nothing wrong he or she has nothing to worry about. Right?

That's what the police tell us. And a cop would not lie to us.

[Ducimus]

[Stealhead]

You really need to see clips of Russian,Brazilian,and French Paris cops and see what they'd do the second you back talked them.Like the guy in the car he would have been grabbed and pulled out of the window and thrown on the ground for talking back like that.

I recall years back we had this Brazilian exchange student at my school and he went with and some friends to see a movie in front of the theater was a fairly heavy set cop and some kids where actually vocally mocking him though he just ignored them the Brazilian kid was shocked that the kids where doing this and seemed to have no fear of disrespecting authority."You would never see that in Brazil" he kept saying.

Generally speaking 97% of American cops are fairly decent and many give a lot of breaks when they could be much harsher legally not saying that there are not bad cops out there but they are the minority.I can recall a few times in my younger days getting away with much.Like once some squadron mates and I got hammered and decided to ride around the base on our bikes we saw a Security Police(Air Force for Military Police) car coming so we tried to ride down this trail but they had seen us.Clearly we where all drunk and could have been taken in for that and for evading but they just told us to go back to the dorms and stay out of trouble we all should have spent the weekend in the stockade according to the UCMJ.Another time a buddy and I got caught sneaking back onto base in Turkey when the base was on lock down(what can I say there where some pretty Turkish girls in town)that is a pretty serious violation and the SPs let us go Scot free in both cases I just got very very lucky that SPs that caught me felt like being lax a did not apply normal standards.I guarantee you will find far more stories of cops giving people breaks than being oppressors it is just that later type makes the news.I have tons from not so law abiding civilian old friends.

I agree that some folks out there just dont like any form of authority(until they need their aid that is) and feel cool for bucking it.Want to see what happens when the police go away? look at New Orleans hours/days post Katrina.You need some one who enforces rule of law like it or not.

By they way almost all police patrol cars in the US have cameras in them so they don't have much to hide or they'd not have them in place and they can tell when cameras have been turned off or tampered with.And you would need to have a given state,county,cities statues books to know what is an arrestable offense in that area.



@Ducimus he should have farted in his oppressors general direction to stop him.

[August]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

That nails it on the head.
The cops SHOULD be professional and tbh the cop lost it in the video.
Just because you're a cop, doesn't mean you can talk down to a citizen. I've seen this many many times.
So many double standards with cops.
The cop in the video was not professional, if he really did feel threatened then there are more professional and respectful ways to handle a situation.
Being a cop gives you a license to lose your cool apparently.

Being a cop doesn't make you something other than human though. Making a single strong statement does not prove, to me, that he lost his cool.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Seems to me, this thread is inspired by a hatred of anyone with authority, by folks who don't like being told what to do - by anybody. Most cop hatred threads are.

I don't hate them, but I'm not putting my rights in jeopardy because I want to be a nice guy. There are great cops and bad cops out there, and you don't know which one you're dealing with when they stop you or come knocking on your door. That's why I take the say nothing route.