Now,this was not realistic!

[VonApist]

"Don't want to hammer but... This is exactly why you did it, it was ok to do it so, what could possibly go wrong? "

What i meant is that i took the risk in the context of the game. What other risk is there? We are all armchair skippers, unless somebody believes that he really has a grasp of what it was to be ACTUALLY patrolling in a sub. All the discussion is in the context of the game...

The destroyers where sloppy attacking and then taking a LONG time to circle and pass over. This gave me windows of opportunity to attack. I was not damaged during the depth charges. I took damage at my last attack to the destroyer and from some fire from a merchant. Just to set the record straight...

At the end of the day, if you want me to put it this way..if in reality a german uboat commander would come back and say : "Hey Karl D, i spotted a convoy but i got chased away. 0 torpedoes fired, 0 ships sunk. I will be in the nightclub, let me know in 3 weeks which is my next patrol grid" he would face the firing squad. A couple of skippers did actually...they were supposed to get there and fight. And fighting didn't mean to down the odd defenseless merchant - not after 1941 anyways.

[EFileTahi-A]

Originally Posted by timmy41

False, Depth charges were notoriously survivable, and there are many recorded events of submarines surviving hours of attacks.

I was refering to the number of times one would be depth charged and not their pop count per can. I apologize if I mislead you or anyone else.

[EFileTahi-A]

Originally Posted by VonApist

"Don't want to hammer but... This is exactly why you did it, it was ok to do it so, what could possibly go wrong? "

What i meant is that i took the risk in the context of the game. What other risk is there? We are all armchair skippers, unless somebody believes that he really has a grasp of what it was to be ACTUALLY patrolling in a sub. All the discussion is in the context of the game...

So, its all within the game's context... so why did you brought the "unrealistic" into it? I mean, where you comparing the game's event to real events at any time at all? Or comparing this event (your encounter) with unrealistic events within the game's reality context?

Now I'm confused. Anyway I've said enough here and I don't have more to say. Don't bother posting back I ain't coming to this thread again.

Peace!

[Osmium Steele]

Originally Posted by EFileTahi-A

The main topic is regarding that specific event's score, not an entire patrol's score. I honestly don't know if a single skipper actually managed to sink 14 ships (10 mice and 4 cats) over a single task force. From what I know about subs and their engaging strategies / playmode I believe this is most unlikely to ever happened by the reasons I stated above.

The main reason that particular attack is unrealistic is that the convoy would have scattered when the escorts started sinking. No way any single uboat would have "SUNK EM ALL" tm.

[VonApist]

EfileTahi i dont understand why you get upset, anyways.

I was commenting on the realism of the game. AI should scatter the convoy and make the destroyers run more efficient. You started your replies on the game vs reality context. I dont think that anyone here believes that the game is anything close to reality. It is just a GAME. A very good one, very successful in trancending players into the era, getting some feel. but thats it. its a game. Me realism comment refered to the AI of the convoy and destroyers. The GWX developers have done a superb job an all aspects of the game. I just commented that in some cases AI could be more "realistic". You want to change "realistic" with "difficult"? be my guest.

Peace to you too

[Pisces]

Don't worry. A few more of those 'easy' succes stories, and you'll see. Complacency sets in and you'll drown in it!

[sublynx]

Originally Posted by Pisces

Don't worry. A few more of those 'easy' succes stories, and you'll see. Complacency sets in and you'll drown in it!

that's how I got killed the last time (tried avoiding a destroyer at periscope depth - "they have never noticed me before" - well, this time they did...)

Originally Posted by sublynx

that's how I got killed the last time (tried avoiding a destroyer at periscope depth - "they have never noticed me before" - well, this time they did...)

I do the same as you.

"But, Ive always done it this way", until that fateful day we learn that it no longer works, and the black screen appears.

[sublynx]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

"But, Ive always done it this way", until that fateful day we learn that it no longer works, and the black screen appears.

That's something the game does really well, IMO. One has these long patrols where the same kind of good old solutions work, but on the background there are advances in weaponry and changes in the strategical and tactical situation that dictate that one has to be able to quicky realize when the battle has changed, and then quickly adapt one's solutions. If one is not aware of the change or the solution is wrong, the black screen drops on the boat, seemingly quite out of the blue. Very cool

[Fish In The Water]

Originally Posted by sublynx

One has these long patrols where the same kind of good old solutions work, but on the background there are advances in weaponry and changes in the strategical and tactical situation that dictate that one has to be able to quicky realize when the battle has changed, and then quickly adapt one's solutions. If one is not aware of the change or the solution is wrong, the black screen drops on the boat...

Just imagine what that must have been like in real life. You're riding high through the 'Happy Times' refining your tactics, brimming with success, (perhaps getting a little full of yourself ), and then - just when you think you've got all the answers, they go and change the questions.

No margin for error, no time to figure it out, just wham, bam - adapt or die!

[sublynx]

Originally Posted by Fish In The Water

Just imagine what that must have been like in real life.

Smoke from an engine room fire gathering at the floor of the boat, destroyer overhead, damaged depth gauge showing 60 meters and you realizing the boat is much deeper than you thought it was. You physically worn down from no exercise, not much sleep for the duration of the attack, your skin rashing from the everpresent moldness in a sub. Warmth inside areas of the boat at 60 degrees Celsius.

According to U-boat War Patrol: The Hidden Photographic Diary of U-564 by Lawrence Paterson these were some of the challenges Teddy Suhren and U-564 had to manage in one of their patrols.

I'm glad it's only a game because it sure is nicer thinking about things like "Now is that destroyer aware of our presence or not? How's my situational awareness right now? " in my comfy chair and not in a real submarine.

[Fish In The Water]

Originally Posted by sublynx

Smoke from an engine room fire gathering at the floor of the boat, destroyer overhead, damaged depth gauge showing 60 meters and you realizing the boat is much deeper than you thought it was. You physically worn down from no exercise, not much sleep for the duration of the attack, your skin rashing from the everpresent moldness in a sub. Warmth inside areas of the boat at 60 degrees Celsius.

And in the midst of all this you have to stay focused on your job, do it as best you can and trust your shipmates to do theirs. Anything less could mean the difference between life and death. Kind of puts 'pressure' into a whole new category.

All in all, I think I'll stick with my armchair sub. Seems a lot safer, at least until my chair catches on fire!