Heartless New Yorkers! - Page 2

Gammelpreusse · 04-27-11, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

I'm not sure whether it's true but I've heard that in some states you can get punished if the first aid you give actually kills the guy you tried to help. That would make me also very reluctant of helping someone. Here in Germany the law says that you've got to help and you won't be prosecuted if you screwed up your first aid. Our first aid instructor once said "There is nor wrong first aid, the only wrong thing is no aid at all.".

This, yes. Maybe to much of a prejudice here, but I'd be very resluctant to help anybody in the US as well, the risk of being sued for something just appears too high.

Armistead · 04-27-11, 01:20 PM

The victim had a long criminal history in SC, highly possible he got involved in something up there even in a short period of time.

mookiemookie · 04-27-11, 01:23 PM

I think they should standardize the Good Samaritan laws across the country. In Texas, there's no duty to rescue, but the Good Samaritan Act protects people who are truly trying to provide medical aid.

AVGWarhawk · 04-27-11, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I think they should standardize the Good Samaritan laws across the country. In Texas, there's no duty to rescue, but the Good Samaritan Act protects people who are truly trying to provide medical aid.

But again, not all states are like this. People do not want to get involved or held liable.

Sledgehammer427 · 04-27-11, 01:50 PM

nothing like an article like this to drag the cynics out of the woodwork.

of which I am one, and Ducimus has already said what I was going to say.

I'm also glad someone brought up Kitty Genovese, we discussed situations like this in my psychology class a couple years ago.

I likened the Kitty Genovese case, and cases like this one, on seeing a car stranded on the side of the road on a busy highway.

You see the hazards on, and you would naturally try to help, but you are on a busy highway, there may be someone else who is better suited to provide assistance than you are, they might be on the phone with AAA, or their friends.
and with that, I think most people decide that there is no need to inconvienence anyone.

04-27-11, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

I'm not sure whether it's true but I've heard that in some states you can get punished if the first aid you give actually kills the guy you tried to help.

I heard this from my Middle school health teacher, (years ago) something about if you aren't red-cross certified and you try and help but fail you can get sued. However if you do get red-cross certified for first aid your protected from lawsuits for trying to help.

August · 04-27-11, 02:20 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law

Tchocky · 04-27-11, 02:32 PM

Sorry guys and guyettes, this is the only thing that comes to mind when hearing about Good Samaritans

GoldenRivet · 04-27-11, 03:24 PM

i'll go ahead and mention the biohazard component.

A person is laying on the street bleeding from a few gun shot wounds... risk getting that on you?

what if it comes into contact with a wound of your own? a scratch or a blister etc.

what if the person has a communicable blood born disease?

just another thing to think about.

in the end, what is the average person able to do really anyhow? call 911 - thats about it.

is this gang related?

will someone else shoot me for attempting to help the guy?

all things to think about

mookiemookie · 04-27-11, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

in the end, what is the average person able to do really anyhow? call 911 - thats about it.

That would probably be my course of action as well. But it appears that the people in this story couldn't be bothered to do even that.

gimpy117 · 04-27-11, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

This i believe is 100% true, for many reasons.

it's actually a psychological fact. Learned about that in Psy 1000. My roommate could go on about it.

Dowly · 04-27-11, 08:03 PM

Bystander Effect/Genovese Syndrome

Penguin · 04-28-11, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

i'll go ahead and mention the biohazard component.

A person is laying on the street bleeding from a few gun shot wounds... risk getting that on you?

what if it comes into contact with a wound of your own? a scratch or a blister etc.

what if the person has a communicable blood born disease?

just another thing to think about.

in the end, what is the average person able to do really anyhow? call 911 - thats about it.

Well every first aid kit nowadays contains gloves. I am sure that the fast food joint has one, if you're elsewhere you can flag down a car. In this situation it would be also justificated to get the kit out of a nearby parked car if no kit would be available elsewhere.

What can the average person do? 911 is of course the first option.
Dealing with blood is not everybodys thing, but the least someone can do is talk to the victim and confort him. This take no courage, just some minutes of your time, which obviously the people who goggled at the vic had. Shock and trauma can be as dangerous as the actual wound.

flatsixes · 04-28-11, 09:42 AM

Viewed from the vantage of my safe suburban surroundings, it seems pretty cut-and-dried. But Flatbush is a tough neighborhood. Gangs. Drugs. Gun play. Retribution. Commonplace brutality. So maybe the Flatbush resident sees things a bit differently.

BANG! BANG! Make your choice bystander, fast! (1) Risk the safety of yourself and your family by hanging around and talking to the cops about what you saw, or (2) Call 911 and run for your life. I wonder how many of those who witnessed the crime had outstanding warrants? Or were packing illegal heat? Or holding illegal contraband?

I'm not excusing anything. I'm just willing to give self-preservation a nod before condemning callousness. And dear God, please give me the courage to act differently in the same situation.

Bilge_Rat · 04-28-11, 10:04 AM

since it is the US, you also have to worry about getting sued.

I read a case a few year's back about a doctor who gave emergency care to someone who had collapsed on a sidewalk. Since the Doctor of course knew nothing about the person's medical history, she wound up aggravating an existing condition. The person she tried to help sued her and received a $ 11 million damage award against the Doctor. Since the Doctor's malpractice insurance only covered $1 million, she had to declare bankruptcy, all because she tried to help someone.

04-27-11, 01:23 PM	#18
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04-27-11, 03:24 PM	#24
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	i'll go ahead and mention the biohazard component. A person is laying on the street bleeding from a few gun shot wounds... risk getting that on you? what if it comes into contact with a wound of your own? a scratch or a blister etc. what if the person has a communicable blood born disease? just another thing to think about. in the end, what is the average person able to do really anyhow? call 911 - thats about it. is this gang related? will someone else shoot me for attempting to help the guy? all things to think about __________________

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Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	The victim had a long criminal history in SC, highly possible he got involved in something up there even in a short period of time.

04-27-11, 08:03 PM	#27
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Bystander Effect/Genovese Syndrome

04-28-11, 09:42 AM	#29
flatsixes Weps Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 362 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Viewed from the vantage of my safe suburban surroundings, it seems pretty cut-and-dried. But Flatbush is a tough neighborhood. Gangs. Drugs. Gun play. Retribution. Commonplace brutality. So maybe the Flatbush resident sees things a bit differently. BANG! BANG! Make your choice bystander, fast! (1) Risk the safety of yourself and your family by hanging around and talking to the cops about what you saw, or (2) Call 911 and run for your life. I wonder how many of those who witnessed the crime had outstanding warrants? Or were packing illegal heat? Or holding illegal contraband? I'm not excusing anything. I'm just willing to give self-preservation a nod before condemning callousness. And dear God, please give me the courage to act differently in the same situation.

04-28-11, 10:04 AM	#30
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,855 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	since it is the US, you also have to worry about getting sued. I read a case a few year's back about a doctor who gave emergency care to someone who had collapsed on a sidewalk. Since the Doctor of course knew nothing about the person's medical history, she wound up aggravating an existing condition. The person she tried to help sued her and received a $ 11 million damage award against the Doctor. Since the Doctor's malpractice insurance only covered $1 million, she had to declare bankruptcy, all because she tried to help someone. __________________