PvE vs PvP Discussion

antikristuseke · 03-20-11, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Does that game have forced PvP? I've never liked mmo games where I can be forced to PvP someone.

Why would you even play an MMO if not for the pvp?

NeonSamurai · 03-20-11, 11:33 AM

uhh PvE content. Many people do not like PvP particularly in mmo's due to things like ganking, and level/gear differences being more important than player skill. Personally I have a huge dislike towards being forced into PvP. I prefer consensual PvP where I have the choice (duels, PvP zones, etc).

seaniam81 · 03-20-11, 01:41 PM

I'm right there with NeonSamurai. I really don't enjoy the PvP as much. Makes me wonder why I play EVE.

antikristuseke · 03-20-11, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by seaniam81

I'm right there with NeonSamurai. I really don't enjoy the PvP as much. Makes me wonder why I play EVE.

That's what I like about EVE, the amount of freedom you have. Personally enjoy every aspect of EVE pvp, except large blob warfare.

Takeda Shingen · 03-22-11, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

uhh PvE content. Many people do not like PvP particularly in mmo's due to things like ganking, and level/gear differences being more important than player skill. Personally I have a huge dislike towards being forced into PvP. I prefer consensual PvP where I have the choice (duels, PvP zones, etc).

I'm going to have to disagree. The only reason that I am considering signing up for an MMO is PvP. The combat in these types of games is simplified, gear-based, and with outcomes largely determined by dice rolls. If I am going to play against the AI, I'd rather do that in a non-MMO environment, where I get greater control over my character and methods of attack and where the enemy AI is superior. The reason that I would tolerate what amounts to weaker gameplay is the social aspect of MMOs. That is, playing with and against other people because, frankly, these games are extreemly weak without the persistent multiplayer aspect.

In regard to non-consentual PvP, that aspect of having to watch over your shoulder is one of the things that has me looking at EVE. It forces you to interact with others, creating a more open in-game society.

NeonSamurai · 03-24-11, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I'm going to have to disagree. The only reason that I am considering signing up for an MMO is PvP. The combat in these types of games is simplified, gear-based, and with outcomes largely determined by dice rolls. If I am going to play against the AI, I'd rather do that in a non-MMO environment, where I get greater control over my character and methods of attack and where the enemy AI is superior. The reason that I would tolerate what amounts to weaker gameplay is the social aspect of MMOs. That is, playing with and against other people because, frankly, these games are extreemly weak without the persistent multiplayer aspect.

In regard to non-consentual PvP, that aspect of having to watch over your shoulder is one of the things that has me looking at EVE. It forces you to interact with others, creating a more open in-game society.

Personally I have little interest in MMO's. I absolutely hate grinding of any kind, and find the process utterly tedious. In many mmo's to pvp (or pve) effectively, particularly at end game, you need the right items sets and builds to match. Getting the gear has to be the worst part of all, as grinding for such crap is unbelievably tedious. I also tend to be a soloist/explorer in playstyle, and don't much like being forced into groups with others, or being forced to socialize if I do not feel like it (though I usually belong to a guild).

As for forced pvp I absolutely hate it (I'm usually found on the role-playing servers). I've played mmo games with some of the most brutal forced pvp you can think of (everything from experience loss, to loosing everything you had on you, where everyone you do not know is an enemy and will gank you in an instant). Ganking is the one thing I despise more than anything else in an mmo. It is completely unfair and cowardly. I much prefer chosen pvp either by pvp zones or flags or whatever.

As for Eve, I have to say I would rather watch paint dry then play that game

As for non mmo games, I prefer co-op to pvp (Team or otherwise). I use to play competitively on the ladders way back in the day (i was a pretty good flag capper in tribes 1&2). But I kind of got sick of it. I especially hate PUGing, as that's where you find all the little twerps and hacks, which totally turn me off multiplayer.

Arclight · 03-24-11, 09:41 PM

The heck is PUGing?

I feel like Neon. Don't want things forced on me, prefer coop over adversarial. I like playing against or with friends, but I'll rarely venture into random matchmaking and the likes. In fact, think the first time I really played competitively was the day Shogun 2 was released.

To be honest since I found my footing all I want is to play with friends again, either team up against other teams or keep it friendly. Might try another 1v1 made match every now and then, but for a challenge, not to compete.

Takeda Shingen · 03-24-11, 09:45 PM

I really want to get into that Shogun clan, but I don't think my current machine won't be able to handle the game without problems. So, I just joined the SubSim Steam group to wisfully pine the time away.

kiwi_2005 · 03-25-11, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Why would you even play an MMO if not for the pvp?

I salute you brother. I play MMO pure for the pvp side of it. PVE is for me just to level up once I've reached cap lvl I swap to pvp and stay that way till an expac comes out and repeat. Sometimes pve dungeon might drop a epic weapon or piece of gear I need so thats when pugging comes in (random pve groups) or if im in a guild that do both then ask guildies if they can help me get the weapon.

Nothing wrong with pve if the guild is good they can progress and become well known on the realm and its a quick way to get gear. Though taking on other players is more fun. The hunter or being hunted.

World of Warcraft. Reins.

Seriously Ive tried:
Aion - its a grind fest give up your day job to get ahead.
Age of Conan the fighting bored me real quick it was like Guildwars all over again just click and hit couple of combo moves but no real technique
Warhammer online. Not bad of a game probably the best out of the other two.

WoW has the best pvp ingame imho no other mmo ive tried beats it.

Im hoping the new Warhammer mmo that comes out 2012-2013? will change that.

03-20-11, 11:33 AM	#2
NeonSamurai Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Socialist Republic of Kanadia Posts: 3,044 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	uhh PvE content. Many people do not like PvP particularly in mmo's due to things like ganking, and level/gear differences being more important than player skill. Personally I have a huge dislike towards being forced into PvP. I prefer consensual PvP where I have the choice (duels, PvP zones, etc). __________________ SH3 Newbie Guide Links and other helpfull stuff

03-20-11, 01:41 PM	#3
seaniam81 Commodore Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 624 Downloads: 87 Uploads: 0	I'm right there with NeonSamurai. I really don't enjoy the PvP as much. Makes me wonder why I play EVE. __________________ Ultima ratio regum. (The final argument of kings) - Inscription on french cannons, on order of Louis XIV

03-24-11, 09:41 PM	#7
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	The heck is PUGing? I feel like Neon. Don't want things forced on me, prefer coop over adversarial. I like playing against or with friends, but I'll rarely venture into random matchmaking and the likes. In fact, think the first time I really played competitively was the day Shogun 2 was released. To be honest since I found my footing all I want is to play with friends again, either team up against other teams or keep it friendly. Might try another 1v1 made match every now and then, but for a challenge, not to compete. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

03-24-11, 09:45 PM	#8
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I really want to get into that Shogun clan, but I don't think my current machine won't be able to handle the game without problems. So, I just joined the SubSim Steam group to wisfully pine the time away.