Lets play world war II mix and match!

Infantry = Germany
Armor = Russia
Air = USA
Navy = USA
Logistics = USA
Artillery = USA
Command = Germany

[Oberon]

Country: The Empire of Wotsitstan
Infantry = Germany
Armor = Germany
Air = Britain
Navy = Britain
Logistics = USA
Artillery = Russian
Command = Germany

[Raptor1]

Erm, let's see.

Country: Hanseatic League of Northern Bigfootia

Infantry - German 43/44 (Panzergrenadiers?)
Armour - Soviet 44/45
Air - US 44/45 (If I could break it down I'll probably say Strategic Air - US 44/45 and Tactical Air - Soviet 44/45, though in the latter category I'm not absolutely decided as to who had it better)
Navy - US 44/45
Logistics - US 44/45
Artillery - Soviet 44/45
Command - Prussia 1866...Well, okay, Soviet 44/45 (You're all really taking the German Command? Are you forgetting how messed up it was?)

And if you'll allow me to add:

Tactical Command and Training - Germany 42/43
Operational Doctrine - Soviet 44/45

[HunterICX]

Nation: Zod
National Anthem:

Infantry: German Motorized Infantry
Armour: German Panzers, Assault Guns and Tank Destroyers
Artillery: Soviet 1944/45
Air: RAF
Navy: RN
Logistics: US 1944/45
Command: General Patton

HunterICX

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Raptor1

(You're all really taking the German Command? Are you forgetting how messed up it was?)

It was only messed up because Hitler decided to appoint himself Commander-in-Chief of the German Army.
Back in 1941, which kind of made sense since that is when Germany started to slide downhill.
It is a well-known fact that had Hitler not intervened so much on the ground and let his Generals and Commanders dictate the battles more directly, then Germany could have, and imo would have done much much better.
Prime example: the drive on Moscow.
Germany had excellent Military Commanders, Rommel, Heinz Guderian, and Erich von Manstein come to mind.

[Takeda Shingen]

Nation: Takistan

Infantry-British (totally underrated in my view)
Armor-German
Air Force-USA
Navy-USA
Artillery-USSR
Command Model-German
Logistics-USA

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

It was only messed up because Hitler decided to appoint himself Commander-in-Chief of the German Army.
Back in 1941, which kind of made sense since that is when Germany started to slide downhill.
It is a well-known fact that had Hitler not intervened so much on the ground and let his Generals and Commanders dictate the battles more directly, then Germany could have, and imo would have done much much better.
Prime example: the drive on Moscow.
Germany had excellent Military Commanders, Rommel, Heinz Guderian, and Erich von Manstein come to mind.

Oh, I'm not disputing that Germany had some very good commanders at the time. But besides Hitler personally directing operations, the German High Command was terribly ineffective. The OKW taking direct control of land campaigns, and as a consequence the rivalry between the different High Command in the Eastern and Western Fronts, is a good example of this.

Granted, Hitler is largely responsible for all this, but unless this is about the highly theoretical German Command structure as it was supposed to work, you can't take the German Command and ignore its vast problems.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Raptor1

rivalry between the different High Command in the Eastern and Western Fronts, is a good example of this.

Indeed, this was also a big issue for us, the rivalry, spurned on by Hitler.
Everyone wanted to prove to him that they were the best. Everyone wanted to outdo each other to be his 'favourite'.
Everyone wanted to avoid failure. For fear of failure was big.
Ultimately because of this, decisions were made hastily, often not being consulted at the low levels of command, on the ground in most cases with the ground commanders.
But i get your point.

[August]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Indeed, this was also a big issue for us, the rivalry, spurned on by Hitler.
Everyone wanted to prove to him that they were the best. Everyone wanted to outdo each other to be his 'favourite'.
Everyone wanted to avoid failure. For fear of failure was big.
Ultimately because of this, decisions were made hastily, often not being consulted at the low levels of command, on the ground in most cases with the ground commanders.
But i get your point.

Command rivalries aren't unique to the Germans. There was quite a bit between Montgomery and Patton as well as MacArthur and Nimitz.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by August

There was quite a bit between Montgomery and Patton

That's an understatement

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Country: The Empire of Wotsitstan
Infantry = Germany
Armor = Germany
Air = Britain
Navy = Britain
Logistics = USA
Artillery = Russian
Command = Germany

We think alike Oberon.

[August]

You guys would actually take the British navy over the US Navy? I would think our fleet carriers alone would make the US the obvious choice in that area.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

I would think our fleet carriers alone would make the US the obvious choice in that area.

That's exactly why I picked them. The USN of WWII was very much the navy of the future. What I don't understand is the choice for the German navy. Sure, lots of submarines, but weak in the use of surface combatants and entirely lacking in air power. The Kriegsmarine was primarily an anti-shipping force; not at all well suited to major naval engagements.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by August

You guys would actually take the British navy over the US Navy? I would think our fleet carriers alone would make the US the obvious choice in that area.

The difference was not that great. Brit carriers didn't carry aircraft on deck until the end of the war, at that time they could carry about 75-80% of what a US fleet carrier could carry.

Plus the Spit/SeaSpit could whoop the Zeros @$$.

The Firefly was also a great multipurpose carrier fighter. A/A, A/G, Recon, ASW.

[Diopos]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

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What I don't understand is the choice for the German navy. Sure, lots of submarines, but weak in the use of surface combatants and entirely lacking in air power. The Kriegsmarine was primarily an anti-shipping force; not at all well suited to major naval engagements.

Think how many tanks you can build with the resources needed to build a battleship and you will have your answer. The German armed forces of the era were designed to conquer land via land ...


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