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Old 02-14-11, 05:08 PM   #16
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not surprised SH5 got a 22% user score. The game felt like an early beta to me when it was dumped on the market.

what was I thinking not returning it for that refund?
With mods it's pretty playable, but I'll come out and say it: The base game is garbage.
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Old 02-14-11, 06:29 PM   #17
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Nah, SH4 turned out pretty good in the end. SH5 is where we saw the major dip in quality and support.

Anymore, I think twice about any game that bears the UbiSoft logo.
Yes, BOB Storm of War to be released in March by UBI have now renamed it to another IL2 title and removed the dynamic campaign!!
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Old 02-14-11, 08:36 PM   #18
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You mean Oleg's IL2 Cliffs of Dover will have UBI on the box? And no dynamic campaigh? No freeking way, that sucks the hairy jalobi!

Yeah named changed and probably by UBI. I would have thought Oleg would have smartened up by now. But I guess he's still under contract with them. Hopefully this will be his last and he can do what he wants after he severs ties with them. If he doesn't, UBI will drag him down with them.
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Old 02-14-11, 08:38 PM   #19
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Hopefully Oleg's IL2 Cliffs of Dover won't be associated with UBI.
It is, actually. Though since Oleg's development team is independent from Ubi and that Ubi's evil DRM scheme has been confirmed not to be present, I don't expect too many problems with it.

EDIT: Ah, edited...

EDIT 2: As for the dynamic campaign thing, IIRC IL-2 did not have one when it was originally released either. I also expect there will be 3rd party dynamic campaigns for it as well, just like IL-2.
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Sorry Raptor.... had to edit after I reread what I posted. LOL

How UBI stacks up to the rest....... http://features.metacritic.com/featu...-nav;article;1
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Old 02-14-11, 09:08 PM   #21
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As for the dynamic campaign thing, IIRC IL-2 did not have one when it was originally released either. I also expect there will be 3rd party dynamic campaigns for it as well, just like IL-2.
I certainly hope so, I wont be rushing out to buy it because of UBI's past, I'll wait and follow the forum to see how it turns out!
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Old 02-14-11, 11:43 PM   #22
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I must say the general consensus seems to be that because Ubi failed in SH5 that all and any past, present and future titles will be crap.
Am i missing something here? Just asking, is all.
I'm not looking for flame wars here.
Reason i ask is that a fair few are saying that because it has Ubi's logo on it that i will not buy it, or to that effect.
If that's the case, then that's slightly unfair? To them.
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Old 02-14-11, 11:44 PM   #23
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With mods it's pretty playable, but I'll come out and say it: The base game is garbage.
Be that as it may, we only have one source for more Silent Hunter titles at the moment. We know it. Ubisoft knows it. I don't know why they tried to pawn off SH5 as something we would appreciate, especially after they directly consulted us, but that's where we're at. I can only assume that Ubisoft Romania was forced to develop the product they did due to decisions that came from higher offices.

Still, this news isn't all bad. If Ubisoft is enduring a general reduction in market share that makes our consistent and entrenched desire for some kind of decent subsim all the more palatable, provided that their management is capable of appreciating a fixed source of income or finding its butt with both hands.
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Old 02-15-11, 12:33 AM   #24
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To be fair I wouldn't trust any "professional" critic. Perhaps ubisoft is just bribing less then the other publishers? Not defending them however, their retarded DRM practices makes their games only worthy of piracy.
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With mods it's pretty playable, but I'll come out and say it: The base game is garbage.


RE SH5:
If you guys haven't already, check out TDW (aka Racerboy's) supermod beta. It really transforms the game. It may even make you change your tune about SH5. I know I've been harsh on the game as of late, but i find myself warming up to it because of his work.
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RE SH5:
If you guys haven't already, check out TDW (aka Racerboy's) supermod beta. It really transforms the game. It may even make you change your tune about SH5. I know I'm harsh on the game, but i find myself warming up to it because of his work.
Would love to, but my main issue is lack of target variety.

Hell, I may give it a whirl just to see...
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Old 02-15-11, 08:44 PM   #28
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Would love to, but my main issue is lack of target variety.

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Hmm good point. I forgot about that granny import issue. Aside from that, what ive scratched at was impressive.
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Old 02-16-11, 09:57 PM   #29
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I must say the general consensus seems to be that because Ubi failed in SH5 that all and any past, present and future titles will be crap.
Am i missing something here? Just asking, is all.
I'm not looking for flame wars here.
Reason i ask is that a fair few are saying that because it has Ubi's logo on it that i will not buy it, or to that effect.
If that's the case, then that's slightly unfair? To them.
I feel like I got burned by Ubi. I bought the early version (v1.1?), then had to buy the "Gold Edition". Of course, there are still problems. In my view, Ubi should not release games, that are so heavily dependant on the efforts of modders. They seem to have the attitude that they are the only game in town, and turning out a fast and cheap product is good enough. I haven't bought SH5, partly because I prefer the PTO, partly because of the DRM thing, but mainly because I anticipate that I would be pulling my hair out trying to play it.

That said, I would still be willing to buy a SH6, if the product was well done. I think a big part of the reason Ubi is so heavily criticised is that we have a succession of failures here. SH4 was a poor job, followed by SH5, a worse one. This does not inspire much optimism.
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I feel like I got burned by Ubi. I bought the early version (v1.1?), then had to buy the "Gold Edition". Of course, there are still problems. In my view, Ubi should not release games, that are so heavily dependant on the efforts of modders. They seem to have the attitude that they are the only game in town, and turning out a fast and cheap product is good enough. I haven't bought SH5, partly because I prefer the PTO, partly because of the DRM thing, but mainly because I anticipate that I would be pulling my hair out trying to play it.

That said, I would still be willing to buy a SH6, if the product was well done. I think a big part of the reason Ubi is so heavily criticised is that we have a succession of failures here. SH4 was a poor job, followed by SH5, a worse one. This does not inspire much optimism.
I guess what i'm saying in my previous post is that, and i wasn't very specific is that the consensus seems that people are against ANY UBI games. Comments like" if it has the UBI sticker on it i won't buy it" or "UBI game? No thanks".
They seem generalised comments in relation to any games UBI develops. Which, if that is the case, is a tad unfair
On the matter of SH5, well, what do you expect. Since SH5 isn't their primary objective, and never has been.
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