ASW of P3 Orion used on Nacro Subs

[Matador.es]

ASW capebilities of P3 Orion used on Nacro Subs

http://defensetech.org/2011/01/14/p-...nd-narco-subs/

I thought they were to be replaced by the P8A in 2009?

Note on P3 SB:

Ayee

[TLAM Strike]

The first flight was in 2009, production is expected to start in 2013.


Don't forget to read all the comments on that article, lots of good info there.

[MaddogK]

LOL.
Imagine using an ASW aircraft to find a submarine- and peeps act surprised.

...and the last paragraph questioning 'how do they know whose sub it is' ?

Thats what they're TRAINED to know, and all that 'gucci' gear onboard the A/C was built for that purpose.

Civvies crack me up.

[ETR3(SS)]

I've dealt with P-3's on a couple of occasions, they can be good at there job. I was taught as an ESM operator to fear an APS-137 like the wrath of God.

[Ducimus]

They should bring back the depth charge. Just to screw with those narco subs. You gotta admit, it would be fun shucking them over

[Matador.es]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

I've dealt with P-3's on a couple of occasions, they can be good at there job. I was taught as an ESM operator to fear an APS-137 like the wrath of God.

Just a question 4 you then since you have experiance (i started playing Dangerous Waters since a week). How effective is MAD? And till what depth is it effective? What is the best way for a Orion to detect a sub.

When one (p3) would use the radar (scope) the subs ESM will detect the P3 radar signal way before the reflection will be able to get back to the P3. Effect, subs is aware of p3 before p3 knows about the sub. Subs dives deep and game over for the p3 unless its constantly dropping DIFAR/DISCAS/VLAD SB's? Which is quite an expensive approach i suppose?

The P3 could use ESM, which maintain stealth, but the sub is never going to use his radar on a final approach, so no point in turning it on, other then for surface vessels.

This weekend i will install DW on my laptop's and try some multy player (3pc) with myself (no i am not schizophrenic). So i can better determen the cause vs effect.

Last question, how detectable is the ESM mast of a sub? Is it just a its periscope? How can a sub use ESM without the risk of detection?

Maybe 2 many questions

[MaddogK]

Originally Posted by Matador.es

Just a question 4 you then since you have experiance (i started playing Dangerous Waters since a week). How effective is MAD? And till what depth is it effective? What is the best way for a Orion to detect a sub.

MAD is extremely effective for pinpointing the location of metal and other electrical disturbances that produce a magnetic field that differs from the earths natural field. It is NEVER used as a search tool as the ASW A/C has to fly directly over the target for the MAD detector to indicate the target. The depth is almost a non-issue, MAD is an extremely sensitive sensor but considering the size of the magnetic disturbance a little range never hurts.

I can't speak specifically of P-3's, but normally fixed wing ASW patrol A/C 'seed' a field of LOFAR buoys and after the data is analyzed an area is indicated where a possible target is located, a few DIFAR buoys are layed in the area to confirm this and a track is generated. CASS/DICAS and MAD are then used to pinpoint the exact location of the target for weapons deployment.

When one (p3) would use the radar (scope) the subs ESM will detect the P3 radar signal way before the reflection will be able to get back to the P3. Effect, subs is aware of p3 before p3 knows about the sub. Subs dives deep and game over for the p3 unless its constantly dropping DIFAR/DISCAS/VLAD SB's? Which is quite an expensive approach i suppose?

The P3 could use ESM, which maintain stealth, but the sub is never going to use his radar on a final approach, so no point in turning it on, other then for surface vessels.

I'm not sure of P-3 RADAR specs, but I'd assume that like the APS-116 an ESM mast would be almost undetectable unless the A/C was within a few miles of the target, and certainly the wake produced by the raised mast would be visible from the air a great distance. A sub wouldn't be running with any raised mast or scope for more than a couple of minutes unless the Capt. was a complete idiot. The search A/C would have ESM on at all times, so a single sweep of the targets RADAR would instantly be detected and give a vector for the A/C to search.

This weekend i will install DW on my laptop's and try some multy player (3pc) with myself (no i am not schizophrenic). So i can better determen the cause vs effect.

Last question, how detectable is the ESM mast of a sub? Is it just a its periscope? How can a sub use ESM without the risk of detection?

Maybe 2 many questions

[Matador.es]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

The first flight was in 2009, production is expected to start in 2013.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...ion%20Aircraft