Hahaha! EU now to ban energy saving lightbulbs...? - Page 2

XabbaRus · 12-22-10, 03:24 PM

Skybird is right, LED is the way forward but I disagree with his fervour against low energy bulbs.

I have had the light bulds in my rooms for over 2 years now and they are working fine.

Also in my line of work we have been routinely putting flourescents in living spaces with no complaints.

As for the danger of kids breaking them. Overstated. I have two very boisterous kids and they have never broken a lightbulb.

Jimbuna · 12-22-10, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

What? With rising energy prices this will probably be the only answer before long!

You forgot sunlight and moonlight

VipertheSniper · 12-22-10, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

It is just a faux outrage story Viper, the problems were well known just as they were well known with the older lights, knowledge about the problems with mercury and difficulty getting rid of it are as old as the studies that made people stop using it as a common medicine.

Do I hear an echo or something? Because I could've sworn I'd written something along those lines.

12-22-10, 06:18 PM

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Do I hear an echo or something?

An agreement perhaps.

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As for the danger of kids breaking them. Overstated.

Overstated and confused, it goes with the mixing of the levels for prolonged exposure to the gas which is short and the long term removal problems of the solid residue to try and make a scare story.

Reece · 12-22-10, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Skybird is right, LED is the way forward but I disagree with his fervour against low energy bulbs.

I have had the light bulds in my rooms for over 2 years now and they are working fine.

Also in my line of work we have been routinely putting flourescents in living spaces with no complaints.

As for the danger of kids breaking them. Overstated. I have two very boisterous kids and they have never broken a lightbulb.

Maybe an over reaction but my grand kids broke one whilst throwing a large rubber ball around, at the time I never gave it a thought, just replaced it, but it does make you think!

FIREWALL · 12-22-10, 10:25 PM

Anyone here remember the story of Chicken Little ?

bookworm_020 · 12-22-10, 11:19 PM

They banned incandescent light bulbs here in Australia last year. you can use halogen or CFL (compact florescent light bulbs) instead. Some of the CFL's can give off a soft light, but they do have a habit of fading over time and also taking awhile to warm up to full strength.

XabbaRus · 12-23-10, 07:06 AM

The ones I have are quick, as quick as a normal bulb and the light is good.

I do agree that on balance the olde bulbs gave off a better light but LED is coming down in price.

Skybird · 12-23-10, 07:13 AM

LED spotlights (like the halogen spot lights with 20W and GU4 socket) already are available in similiar brightness and light colour like said halogen spots, I saw earlier this year in an electronic shops. But 30 bucks for one piece simply is too expensive. But i have good hopes for the future.

I run two energy savers in hidden lamps where their inferior light quality is not noticable, all other lamps here are 35% energy-reduced halogen lamps. Halogen is okay. Ordinary classic light bulbs I do not have in use since many years - long before the ban started in the EU. I use many dimmers, too.

Tessa · 12-23-10, 01:13 PM

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German article:I say to this just this: one of the young daughters of a good girlfriend of mine broke such a lightbulb during playing in early summer. At that time I just had told the mother of the risks involved, but she did not believe it. The breaking lightbulb was not noticed by the parents immediately. Since then the kid is in doctor'S treatement, with breathing problems, and a form of blood intoxication that is medically proven, they tried to detox her repeaytedly, with smaller and smaller remains showing up in her blood and liver scans.

The danger obviously is not just a theoretic but a very real one. Now imagine a pregnant mother inhaling quicksilver gas (its a gas, due to the heating of the light bulb), and what that would mean for the embryo or fetus.

From the sounds of things it sounds like the parents noticed the kid having problems fairly soon after it happened so it wasn't fatal. This is truly sad and made worse by one that is already sick and I do feel sorry for her being a victim of a real accident.

What I can't tolerate is parents that don't watch their children; because of their lazyness new safer products of all kinds have to be created that are safe to eat. I feel no pity for kids that have brain damage from eating lead paint, what the ******* are you doing eating paint in the first place (I know the natural tendency though for a child to put anything in its mouth) and where were the parents that should have been there to stop them from doing such a blantanly stupid thing in the first place?

It angers me to no end that cleaning products/materials are constantly having to be changed to something less hazardous; which usually works only half as well as "the old stuff". Because some parent who thinks the TV will raise their children for them decides to drink a bottle of lime cleaner (or any other cleaning agent), and gets sick and possibly dies (I'm not callous to the death of the infant, but the complete lack of any supervison by the parents was the cause of the incident), then sues the company for 50 million dollars and forces them to change their product to something that is well sub standard to what it already was.

There is a plethora of items in a house that can easily kill a child (or an adult for that matter), as long as they are treated properly with care and respect the danger is minimal. Accidents do happen (like what happened to your friend) and are sadly a statistical probability that will eventualy happen to someone regardless of age. When I was a little girl I broke a glass thermometer in my mouth once, it was one of the common ones filled with Mercury. My mom who was there the whole time looked up from her watch every few seconds at me and when she did had me spit it out instantly before any Mercury came oozing out. After going to the ER (just to be safe) aside from some glass that was still in my mouth (which was a major nuisance, mom told me not to swallow and keep my mouth open as much as possible until we saw the doctor) I was fine. Carpet had a stain on it when we got back home but was an acceptable casuality in lieu of what happened. Since my mom was there watching over me she did what parents are supposed to do - pay attention and attend to their children!

Gerald · 12-23-10, 01:23 PM

Then several years, I have reduced my electricity bill by 25% by using these lights, and they have a very good endurance, almost as good as a woman,

Jimbuna · 12-23-10, 01:55 PM

Now all you need do is work on building up the stamina

Gerald · 12-23-10, 02:00 PM

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Now all you need do is work on building up the stamina

STEED · 12-23-10, 02:11 PM

The best thing the EU can do is to ban itself for life.

Gerald · 12-23-10, 02:27 PM

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The best thing the EU can do is to ban itself for life.

You may send a wish to Santa Claus, he is fully capable,

12-22-10, 03:24 PM	#16
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Skybird is right, LED is the way forward but I disagree with his fervour against low energy bulbs. I have had the light bulds in my rooms for over 2 years now and they are working fine. Also in my line of work we have been routinely putting flourescents in living spaces with no complaints. As for the danger of kids breaking them. Overstated. I have two very boisterous kids and they have never broken a lightbulb. __________________

12-22-10, 10:25 PM	#21
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Anyone here remember the story of Chicken Little ? __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

12-22-10, 11:19 PM	#22
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	They banned incandescent light bulbs here in Australia last year. you can use halogen or CFL (compact florescent light bulbs) instead. Some of the CFL's can give off a soft light, but they do have a habit of fading over time and also taking awhile to warm up to full strength. __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

12-23-10, 07:06 AM	#23
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	The ones I have are quick, as quick as a normal bulb and the light is good. I do agree that on balance the olde bulbs gave off a better light but LED is coming down in price. __________________

12-23-10, 07:13 AM	#24
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,660 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	LED spotlights (like the halogen spot lights with 20W and GU4 socket) already are available in similiar brightness and light colour like said halogen spots, I saw earlier this year in an electronic shops. But 30 bucks for one piece simply is too expensive. But i have good hopes for the future. I run two energy savers in hidden lamps where their inferior light quality is not noticable, all other lamps here are 35% energy-reduced halogen lamps. Halogen is okay. Ordinary classic light bulbs I do not have in use since many years - long before the ban started in the EU. I use many dimmers, too. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-23-10, 01:23 PM	#26
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Then several years, I have reduced my electricity bill by 25% by using these lights, and they have a very good endurance, almost as good as a woman, __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,645 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Now all you need do is work on building up the stamina __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-23-10, 02:11 PM	#29
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	The best thing the EU can do is to ban itself for life. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!