Some misunderstandings regarding Islam - Page 2

XabbaRus · 12-20-10, 06:16 PM

ah pajamasmedia..that great institution of unbiased journalism.

This is the same outlet that Kim Zigfeld writes for linked to her blog la russophobe...

Skybird · 12-20-10, 06:23 PM

Islam is what the revealed and incarnated word of God - the Quran - tells that it is, wanting to alter that means to alter the word of God (death to you for even considering that, you heretic!), and nothing in that essay changes the totalitarian, racist and supremacist basic nature of that message. The essay ignores quite many of the not so nice stories of Islamic history, of Muhammad's biography, and implications of the Quranic teaching. Some of the stuff on page two, for the second and first headline there, is historically misleading, sometimes even wrong.

Facism does not become a nice ideology just because some Nazis had polite manners, and the German attack war doe snot become justifiable just becasue sometimes German officers acted with gallantry and nobless towards thewir enemies in battle. - And Muhammad does not become less a godfather and murderous criminal just because occasionally he forfeit on enslaving women, or calling for the assassination of critics.

Not all people calling themselves "Muslim" are radical fundamentalists. But that does not make the Quran's ideology a less radical fundamentalist ideology of supremacism, racism and monoculturalism.

And the point about the veil - is disputed amongst Muslim clerics themselves. The Quran however demands that women shall cover themselves and hide from the view of foreign men. Originally, the demand was linked to that they should not do their toilet business in public and within sight of foreign men. The supressive character of any cloathing rules for women just came later.

Sailor Steve · 12-20-10, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Garion

In to add +1 to my post count

Cheers

Garion

Post count? Is that all you think about??? What a loser!

Not really. I just wanted to give you a reason to bump it some more. Nothing does that like a good flame.

Platapus · 12-20-10, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Post count? Is that all you think about??? What a loser!

Not really. I just wanted to give you a reason to bump it some more. Nothing does that like a good flame.

Bumping a thread like this is kinda like poking a dying fire with a poker. Lots of sparks and a temporary flare up, but it still dies down.

tater · 12-20-10, 08:14 PM

Thought it was pretty weak, actually.

While the notion that 10% are terrorists is obviously absurd, the reality is that a large % support terrorism. That doesn't mean they aid actual terrorism, but they agree with those that do it, and that makes it easy for the real terrorists to blend in. I have no idea what % of southerners were in the KKK, for example, but it's not just the members that matter, but the non-members that looked the other way. Ditto nazis—most were not party members, but most people looked the other way or otherwise supported them through action or INaction.

The whitewash int he article regarding Muslim rules of warfare is pretty funny. It ignores, for example, slavery of the captured. Slavery that was only eliminated in the late 1960s, in fact.

And while the idiotic, scientifically illiterate fundamentalists of other faiths (Christians) are also backwards, all major denominations of Islam are in fact literalists. NONE believe in the entire basis of modern cosmology or biology (both being mutually exclusive with biblical or koranic literalism).

Bottom line is that conflating Islam with the worst of Christianity is perfectly fine, but it's important to at least not that the numbers also matter. When the bulk of Christian, mainstream denominations act like Westboro Baptists, then the analogy works better.

Garion · 12-21-10, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Post count? Is that all you think about??? What a loser!

Not really. I just wanted to give you a reason to bump it some more. Nothing does that like a good flame.

Sniff! I just wanted to belong...... <runs away sobbing and hides in cupboard>

Cheers

Garion

onelifecrisis · 12-21-10, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

Thought it was pretty weak, actually.

ATTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!

12-20-10, 06:16 PM	#16
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	ah pajamasmedia..that great institution of unbiased journalism. This is the same outlet that Kim Zigfeld writes for linked to her blog la russophobe... __________________

12-20-10, 06:23 PM	#17
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,644 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Islam is what the revealed and incarnated word of God - the Quran - tells that it is, wanting to alter that means to alter the word of God (death to you for even considering that, you heretic!), and nothing in that essay changes the totalitarian, racist and supremacist basic nature of that message. The essay ignores quite many of the not so nice stories of Islamic history, of Muhammad's biography, and implications of the Quranic teaching. Some of the stuff on page two, for the second and first headline there, is historically misleading, sometimes even wrong. Facism does not become a nice ideology just because some Nazis had polite manners, and the German attack war doe snot become justifiable just becasue sometimes German officers acted with gallantry and nobless towards thewir enemies in battle. - And Muhammad does not become less a godfather and murderous criminal just because occasionally he forfeit on enslaving women, or calling for the assassination of critics. Not all people calling themselves "Muslim" are radical fundamentalists. But that does not make the Quran's ideology a less radical fundamentalist ideology of supremacism, racism and monoculturalism. And the point about the veil - is disputed amongst Muslim clerics themselves. The Quran however demands that women shall cover themselves and hide from the view of foreign men. Originally, the demand was linked to that they should not do their toilet business in public and within sight of foreign men. The supressive character of any cloathing rules for women just came later. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-20-10, 08:14 PM	#20
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Thought it was pretty weak, actually. While the notion that 10% are terrorists is obviously absurd, the reality is that a large % support terrorism. That doesn't mean they aid actual terrorism, but they agree with those that do it, and that makes it easy for the real terrorists to blend in. I have no idea what % of southerners were in the KKK, for example, but it's not just the members that matter, but the non-members that looked the other way. Ditto nazis—most were not party members, but most people looked the other way or otherwise supported them through action or INaction. The whitewash int he article regarding Muslim rules of warfare is pretty funny. It ignores, for example, slavery of the captured. Slavery that was only eliminated in the late 1960s, in fact. And while the idiotic, scientifically illiterate fundamentalists of other faiths (Christians) are also backwards, all major denominations of Islam are in fact literalists. NONE believe in the entire basis of modern cosmology or biology (both being mutually exclusive with biblical or koranic literalism). Bottom line is that conflating Islam with the worst of Christianity is perfectly fine, but it's important to at least not that the numbers also matter. When the bulk of Christian, mainstream denominations act like Westboro Baptists, then the analogy works better.