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I hardly dream well I probably dream more than I think but never remeber them. The last dream I remeber clear as daylight. I was standing in this valley where not far ahead of me I could see a wolf running towards me at first I thought nothing of it, to the right of me were some people shooting at this wolf the wolf was running like it was dodging its bullet and kept coming straight for me, as it got within 50yrds or so I started shooting at it as well with a handgun and as it got real close I manage to shoot it dead. The wolf was lying there a few feet from me dead then I woke up. The dream bothered me a bit the reasons there is no wolves in my country nor do I own a handgun so what was that all about?. I looked it up on the net and found out that dreaming of a wolf running towards you means if the wolf reaches you and attacks you your going to have financial hardship, if you kill the wolf before it reaches you, your going to have financial success
![]() Then I decided to do my own interpretation of my dream: That night before the dream I was playing Battlefield and entered maps where a handgun was only allowed so I spent a good hour or so shooting with a hand gun. I have plenty of desktop pictures of wolfs - wolfs under a full moon wolfs in the background with a uboat running on the surface etc., So i'm always looking at them. So there's the reason for the handgun and the wolf. The people to my right shooting were probably my mind adding them from the Battlefield game as we all ran around with handguns. I like to think the killing a wolf means success but till the day I dream of the winning lotto numbers I ain't taking dreams seriously ![]() |
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![]() Prophetic dreams are prophetic dreams and they are NOT self fulfilled prophecies, they may not even be dream. They contain too many correct [predicted] FACTS to be a coincidence and too many out of self control [predicted] outcomes to be a self fulfilled prophecies as the prophecies cannot and really CANNOT be fulfilled by SELF and SELF only and most of the time not even in the slightest by SELF in any portion AT ALL. Believing it or not doesn't change the outcome and I have doubts whether they are changeable. People who say about self fulfilling prophecies imo probably never have had a prophetic dream in their life imo(no offense). Of course very few dreams are prophetic in nature . . . .and knowing which one is prophetic and which are not takes wisdom and experience(insight) lacking either could make knowing which is which prove to be hard but my rule is prophetic is meant to be known as prophetic so they will hit like a ton of brick as to doubtful dream they can be safely discarded. As a religious I take prophetic dreams to be from God and not without reason too as with I believe most any other Christians. I have had prophetic dreams quite a number of time to be bold enough to come to the conclusion that nothing surprises God when it comes to event, I wouldn't call it predetermined by God but well the end is already known to God even before the beginning had had begun. It's our incapacity to be unaware of future events that make them seemingly uncertain. It's an illusion though as the future is CERTAIN(and to come to think about it made me really doubt about the existence of parallel dimension at all as nothing deviates). It's my conviction mainly stemming from past experience that God knows every fraction of second of my life before even I was born as He does every single born and soon to be born person. If not God is not worthy to be God. But many skeptics about God will use this to argue about things that they cannot comprehend but assumed their argument was somehow logical while the issue cannot be comprehended by ordinary people or blame God for everything that went wrong generally and somehow expected God to babysit everything because He can and because He's supposed to be good as not to allow bad things to happen especially to good people. One thing for certain God hid Himself from the majority mankind and somehow appreciate the concept of faith when relating to Him because it is the only way for people to be made righteous so even those who have come to know God still need faith to relate to God from time to time as nobody knows God like knowing another person(because no one over rules God so obedience based on perfect knowledge would not make one to stand corrected and thus unable to receive grace even while grace is needed like for us). Only so few people(but then again not that few) that have had a personal experience with God and God IS ALWAYS personal when dealing with every person but that should not be a problem because FAITH is still what made people stand corrected, the more faith the more one stands corrected and the more he stands corrected the more grace he will see. The correct attitude is important for one to experience God and most importantly to see [some] of the scriptures to come alive in his life time and to be able to relate to those verses when it is read saying inside I know that for a fact(even when it's not everybody's fact) and to come to know the character of God personally no matter how little and to come to know why God is really worthy of worship and praises. In the end it's not about religion but more about one faith in God. Religion will save no one and too many people lost God and replace Him with the worship of religion or change spirituality which is the attitude towards God which is constant prayers as we all are in constant connection with God, with mere physical rituals. And if God is really one and universal wouldn't that make God the God of every single other person irregardless of one's concept of belief of God or lack of it and irregardless one's state of spirituality or lack of it. And if God is really the God of everyone wouldn't that make all of us connected.....more intimately than most of us realize because we came from the same source and ultimately will end up in the same place?
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![]() Belief. Religion. Missionary lectures. Well. Okay - you asked for it: I love the arrogance of religious rightousness. One may not have a way to counter an opposing argument by somebody, one may not have an argument based on reason or evidence oneself - but one can always dismiss the other by simply saying "I cannot prove you wrong nor do I care for what you said and gave in backing information, because I believe in God/witchcraft/pink flying elephants, and thus I simply believe different." I referred to cognitive sciences, and neuro science, talked of brain and dreamwork. You reply with God and how one must believe religion. Lovely. This is something from a German theologican who was thrown into prison and later murdered by the Nazis, Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I have quoted it often before in recent years, but it seems the opportunities where it fits never become rare: Quote:
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It was never my intention to tell other people they are wrong while I'm the most right because I'm not God who knows everything perfectly so I wouldn't be able to judge another person belief. I only meant to offer insight. That of which most people just don't or haven't realized yet. And it's not a belief it ceases to be a belief for me a long time ago when I was a kid, well it's a belief to you but the truth for me. Edit: I'm sorry if it angered you but never in my intention that I was shouting or implying that anyone's belief is wrong.
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Why so eager to have yourself placed in a box on account of one color test?
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Give it a try don't do it half heartedly though, give it a try and a fair chance. Really. Quote:
To be honest we are very subjective about ourselves thus we may not be a good judge of ourselves. This color test help make that assessment for us. If you found it to be accurate that would mean you're being objective or know yourself quite well. It also doesn't decide about our permanent color(psyche) but only describe about our current color. People change as many are aware. Our situation changes as well and we change to them too... I recommend people to take the test and if not a problem to share it in this thread! If that's too personal and too true and if you're not comfortable sharing it then don't share it with us. It's a very short and ridiculously easy test.
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No, I can vouch that in my case the colour test wasn't too far off and I played around with other choices which were quite off. It was certainly on to something, although looking at it carefully, it is possible to see how it really does rely a lot on very generalizeable, agreeable statements that appeal to emotions in broad strokes. Still, there's something to that.
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Your rightousness also shows in that at one point you admit you are not God and thus do not know it perfectly as he does, nevertheless at another point you admit that you feel compelled to give testionay of your belied - although an uncomfortable implication of what you said is that you cannot be certain of your belief. Why then be so eager to bring it amongst the people? I dispise religious missionising, no matter whether it is directly or indirectly or is transported by implications of statements, always, no matter what ideology. Like oyu and many others do not like to be told at every opportunity how silly your b elief is and how reasonable an atheistic attitude is or how great xyz-ism is. You take it once, and mabye you take it twice, but then you would have enough of getting it delivered - and friendliness can be a weapon here. Psycho-sects lure their victims by friendliness, and ripping them off their self-responsibility by not leaviong them alone one momnent and not lettin g them do anything themselves, but doing it for them, so that the victim, when it protests, gets asked "We only mean it well, we treat you helpful and friendly, and this is how you give back to us?" It is the classical double-bind situation, meant to undermine defence, and when intentionally used it is the most underhanded a tactical tool of abusive communication. And when a person tells me/you, after you critised his belief, that he forgives you and nevertheless his god loves you still, a divine embrace you cannot escape and that you do not get asked about, then this again is a mixture of double-bind tactis, and arrogance. Spirituality is about learning to know oneself, and about modesty. And it is best dealt with like you should deal with wild animals: do not try to touch them, do not try to make them approach you, do not lure them. Only stroke them with your hand when they come to you all by themselves and seek your nearness all by themselves. Anything else is - aggression. What you say you think god is or is not, and what you feel like when doing or not doijung soemthing, is not interesting for anyone. Actually what you decide to do and carry out, and what you decide not to do, defines what you are and what your motivation is worth. But even then, the deed still speaks louder than your words.
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Yes I do not know everything or even something close to enough but I do know something. Something which I treasure. If it isn't interesting to you then don't bother to replying or even reading it in the first place. I don't know about you but Martin Luther King Junior was shot for his words! and JFK was killed for his ideals. The current Noble prize winner won because of what he wrote and jailed because of the same writing as well. Not saying that action doesn't define a person but . . . Anyway I'm not looking for argument nor to pun anyone. Don't take it personally. The postings weren't meant for you specifically Skybird. I'd be happier if subsim had a spoiler tag.
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I am what you would probably call a religous zealot so be gentle with me
![]() Leviticus19:31 Not to practice sorcery of the ov, necromancy Leviticus19:31 Not to practice sorcery of yidde'oni, familiar spirits. Deuteronomy18:10 Not to practice soothsaying Much of what is warned against can be traced to Babylonian cult practices. That includes looking to the stars for answers. Sorry if I sound hypocritical I don't mean too. I like to a certain degree some of what Skybird said. |
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Interesting post.
I dreamed the other day that I bowled a PERFECT 300 game in bowling. Then I realized when I woke up that I left one pin standing up when I looked between my legs. damn.
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![]() It's okay if you liked what Skybird said to each his own. ![]() I respect people who know where they stand or what they stand for more than people who are confused and afraid to choose or worse people who stand for themselves as in them being the whole point of any endeavor LOL. Though I may not agree with Skybird but I can respect his stand and understand his reasons. I don't mean to hurt anybody's feeling either. Certainly I don't expect most people to believe it either. I mean that's the whole point of me telling. The acceptance is not my concern or in my control. I certainly wish I find people who could understand me, I tried to seek such person in real life only to be disappointed . . . . . so I've stopped looking and just tell. . . .may not be wise but I certainly don't care LOL
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Oh goodie, dream interpretation, followed by religious stuff...
Frankly I am highly dubious that most dreams have any real meaning or significance. I also find the concept of looking up dream 'symbols' in an encyclopedic type thing amusing, since it is highly likely that any 'true' symbolic meaning would vary from person to person and item to item. Also gotta say the colors thing gave me a real laugh. Not only was the results it gave me generalizable as all get out, they were totally off base with my present situation (other then telling me I am under stress, well who the heck isn't). The horoscope analogy is quite appropriate as they are using the same form of generalizable delivery. Also extended horiscopes are pretty similar to the results it gave. Castout you should be very wary of submitting your personal beliefs to the general public as it opens them to criticism, and religion never fares very well in such circumstances. Honestly, there are several logical inconsistencies in your opening sermon, which if applied to the fullest logical extent would make your deity out to be a vicious bastard or worse. But all religions tend to be full of these logical flaws, being human creations after all. Also what I think all those religious hating zealots object to, is all the religious zelots telling everyone else around them and at every freaking opportunity (not to mention trying to enact laws and other crap), what to believe, do, say, feel, and think. I know I get pissed off real fast when people do it to me. My belief... keep it to yourself. Anyhow since you requested, here is the colorquiz 'result' I got... With smart arse comments included (in fuchsia to annoy) ![]() Color Test - Results Your Existing Situation Feeling stressed out due to his current situation and the demands which are placed on him. Working to release himself from all things that hold him back or tie him down. Haha who the heck does this not apply to.. seriously. Your Stress Sources "Looking to stand out in the crowd and wanting to keep his rank and status. His current situation is irritating him because he can't seem to find anybody out there who values the same high standards he does. He is feeling isolated and wants to give in to his carnal urges, but can't bring himself to appear weak in the eyes of others. Wants others to see his unique qualities and character but can't stand to come off as needy, so instead he has an ""I don't care"" attitude and pushing people away. He turns his back on those who criticizes his behavior, but beneath his indifference is a person who is in desperate need of approval." I really wish this thing would write in proper english, reading this paragraph gave me a serious headache. Again this could apply to almost anyone, but not me actually, it got it backwards for me for most of it. Your Restrained Characteristics Emotionally distant even from those closest to him. "Feels he is not receiving his fair share and is unable to rely on anyone for support or sympathy. He keeps his emotions bottled up, leaving him quick to take offense to small things. He tries to make the best of his situation." "Feels he is not receiving his fair share and is unable to rely on anyone for support or sympathy. He keeps his emotions bottled up, leaving him quick to take offense to small things. He tries to make the best of his situation." Applies tough standards to his potential partner and demands an unrealistic perfection in his sex life. Again totally wrong. Don't have a sex life currently or potential partners, no time. I am also not emotionally distant by any means. Also rather generic. I also wonder if it is picking this emo crap as i picked black first both times. Your Desired Objective "Feels he is in a hopeless situation, which causes him to feel depressed. He resists things which he finds difficult or not to his liking and shields himself from the things which irritate him." Nope totally wrong again, actually my situation is pretty good all in all, well other than the sex life. Your Actual Problem "Struggles with his need for respect and admiration from others; feels he needs to make a name for himself and stand out from the crowd. He acts out by insisting he be the center of attention, and refuses to step back, stand down, or take on a minor, insignificant role." This one makes me laugh, I have lots of respect and admiration from others. I've also always kind of stood out from the crowd just by my nature of being different. But I am not a peon so no I don't take utterly insignificant roles, nor would I want to. Your Actual Problem #2 "Is disappointed and let down, feels there is no point in making new goals as they will leave him feeling the same way. Is unable to admit to his short comings, which leads him to act out in an aggressive and resentful way." Here we go again with the emo nonsense. Again totally backwards. So all in all, total failure. The thing seems to think I am some goth emo reject (couldn't possibly be more off base if it tried), all cause my first picks were black, then gray (then fuchsia). |
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